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um, yeah, to be clear, Norton and CRK, that wasn't a request.
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um, yeah, to be clear, Norton and CRK, that wasn't a request.
Sorry, even if I ignore someone I am not going to /Ignore anyone, I’ve said why. I’ve only directly responded to him once, and none of this current drama is about me.(and you're supposed to have Norton on ignore, remember?)
So let me be perfectly clear...
You want me to click the Ignore button on Norton, sorry - Not.Gonna.Happen.
You want me to police myself, and stop replying to him or you’re gonna start banning me from threads, ok I can do that.
this, is garbage moderation.um, yeah, to be clear, Norton and CRK, that wasn't a request.
I've not followed the thread in question, and I generally ignore threads (and posters) when they go at each other. But, this:
this, is garbage moderation.
It's ridiculous to try to regulate poster interactions in this manner. Warn, temp-ban, or perma-ban posters based on out-of-bounds behavior, but Rpgpub, please don't engage in this stupidity.
I understood that. And I expressed my distaste to that garbage approach in moderation.Tristram’s post was to remind those two that they were supposed to put each other on ignore. It wasn’t a request. Now, we could use a colored text when we speak as mods, but we never wanted to do that.
If the two nudniks in question are acting outside-the-bounds of appropriate behavior and are acting disruptive, then take on the responsibility and reprimand them like moderators do. Issue thread-bans; issue temp bans; if it's egregious enough, perma-ban them. Do it transparently; be open about the violation; don't pass the buck.
I'll take the other side of that coin. Asking people to police themselves is essential to any society. You can never have enough rules or enforcers to deal with people if they won't self police in either their or the groups self interest.
In this case from what I can tell the problem is the way the participants communicate and understand each other. It seems to exacerbate the worst part of discussions. Asking them to stop dealing with each other does seem to be a reasonable management solution for the peace of the community. It's like having a mutual restraining order. it seems to leave the majority of the forum and it's inhabitants open to interact with. Seems reasonable to me.
Oh puh-lease! Requiring you to put someone on a ignore list is no more a thought crime than implementing a restraining order is.Telling me I must have someone On /Ignore is telling me what I can or cannot read because you know what I'll do with the information. That's Thoughtcrime.
They're having about as much luck getting people to avoid using condescending and insulting language to deal with other members...Too bad the Mods can't get people to self-police themselves into scrolling past what annoys them instead of mashing the Report button like a kid who wants his pudding even though he hasn't eaten his meat.
First of all, you don't think talking about a Restraining Order is already so ridiculous that Purple is going to be laughing at us for a change?Oh puh-lease! Requiring you to put someone on a ignore list is no more a thought crime than implementing a restraining order is.
Sometimes things deserve to be mocked. There's certainly lots of that going around on other topics.They're having about as much luck getting people to avoid using condescending and insulting language to deal with other members...
You have the mods specifically asking you to ignore him and basically stop amping it up and you just don't seem to be able to restrain yourself.Sometimes things deserve to be mocked. There's certainly lots of that going around on other topics.
Yes. That's literally their job here. It's what moderators are here to do.Telling me I can't interact with another poster is controlling someone's actions. Moderators do that essentially when they do any type of ban, whether it's thread, temp or permanent. It's Law Enforcement.
You're not being told off because of what you think about EN. Nobody knows and nobody cares, think whatever you want. You're being told to do this because of the way that you act toward posts or posters that draw your ire, whether you mention the target directly or you include enough references that it's clear who you mean but then don't actually mention them so you can hide behind plausible deniability.Telling me I must have someone On /Ignore is telling me what I can or cannot read because you know what I'll do with the information. That's Thoughtcrime.
For me, the options aren't "Scroll past" vs. "Mash the Report Button". It's more a matter of... I scroll past, until my scrolling finger routinely gets tired at a site, then I just silently stop going to the site and leave it to the couple arguing in the apartment or whatever.Too bad the Mods can't get people to self-police themselves into scrolling past what annoys them instead of mashing the Report button like a kid who wants his pudding even though he hasn't eaten his meat.
You seem pretty confident on all the Whats and Whys, been sitting on Mod Threads? We know at least why you're mashing the Report Button.Yes. That's literally their job here. It's what moderators are here to do.
You're not being told off because of what you think about EN. Nobody knows and nobody cares, think whatever you want. You're being told to do this because of the way that you act toward posts or posters that draw your ire, whether you mention the target directly or you include enough references that it's clear who you mean but then don't actually mention them so you can hide behind plausible deniability.
So yeah, you are being told to do this because of what you'll do with the information, but nobody is making you do what you do - that's always a choice that you have made, and ultimately you're just being told to stop doing that.
So let me be perfectly clear...
You want me to click the Ignore button on Norton, sorry - Not.Gonna.Happen.
You want me to police myself, and stop replying to him or you’re gonna start banning me from threads, ok I can do that.
Telling me I can't interact with another poster is controlling someone's actions. Moderators do that essentially when they do any type of ban, whether it's thread, temp or permanent. It's Law Enforcement.
Telling me I must have someone On /Ignore is telling me what I can or cannot read because you know what I'll do with the information. That's Thoughtcrime.
I've not followed the thread in question, and I generally ignore threads (and posters) when they go at each other. But, this:
this, is garbage moderation.
It's ridiculous to try to regulate poster interactions in this manner. Warn, temp-ban, or perma-ban posters based on out-of-bounds behavior, but Rpgpub, please don't engage in this stupidity.
I understood that. And I expressed my distaste to that garbage approach in moderation.
You might not like my opinion; your moderators might not like it either; but I find this approach to be stupid, lax, and it doesn't address the precise root of the problem. It's just passing the buck and the responsibility on to the users, asking them to self-police. If they choose not to, then the problem is still not resolved. And if you slap them for refusing to self-police, you come across as weak-kneed authoritarians instead of... moderators that are setting community standards. ("You will behave!" vs "Your behavior is disruptive in this thread (or to this forum)".
If the two nudniks in question are acting outside-the-bounds of appropriate behavior and are acting disruptive, then take on the responsibility and reprimand them like moderators do. Issue thread-bans; issue temp bans; if it's egregious enough, perma-ban them. Do it transparently; be open about the violation; don't pass the buck.
Er... I'm not a moderator? I've just read all the same posts about it here as you have.You seem pretty confident on all the Whats and Whys, been sitting on Mod Threads?
FWIW I think I've reported two of your posts, one just after the forum started and a spat between us got dragged into someone's publicity thread (Because I didn't mind you going at me but dragging bystanders into it seemed unfair), and I can't remember what the other one was but it wasn't recent.We know at least why you're mashing the Report Button.
Fair enough.Er... I'm not a moderator? I've just read all the same posts about it here as you have.
FWIW I think I've reported two of your posts, one just after the forum started and a spat between us got dragged into someone's publicity thread (Because I didn't mind you going at me but dragging bystanders into it seemed unfair), and I can't remember what the other one was but it wasn't recent.
You're welcome to believe me or not, but I have no reason to lie.
Then what are you going to do about it? What is your solution? Pushing the responsibility on to them clearly isn't solving the problem.The solution you're proposing isn't what we want. I don't want to ban Kruegar, and I don't want to ban Norton. We just don't want threads to constantly be derailed in regular Norton vs Kruegar sniping battles. That IS the root of the problem.
Agreed. That should be avoided at all costs, IMO.Simply throwing out bans left and right is heavy-handed, TBP bullshit.
Weird fucking Hill man. Let me be clear: I don't give a shit if either of you literally use the Ignore List button, if you can bth restrain from talking to or about one another. But not even two days go by and you're here in the thread talking about what Norton's saying in a thread. I would have had no idea if you'd used your IL button or not if you hadn't blatantly shwn your hand.. Saying you prefer we constantly threadban you instead because you can't exhibit any self control in that regard is just so pouty and and churlish. Nobody here cares one wit "what you'll do with that information", I don't even have any idea what you mean by that. We're just sick of the two of you constantly at each other's throats and the sniping between the two of you taking over multiple threads. Because the underlying problem is that both of you react to one another like the other person has a secret agenda.
Fucking "thought crime" indeed....more like bloody Drama Queening.
Then what are you going to do about it? What is your solution? Pushing the responsibility on to them clearly isn't solving the problem.
Agreed. That should be avoided at all costs, IMO.
But there have got to be some steps between saying "please play nice, guys" ad nauseum and "you're kicked out of this bar, never to return". Some kind of escalation or plan to deal with this.
Umm. Norton and I haven't caused problems about anything since we were told to Ignore each other. The current Beef is Norton vs. Tenbones & Tristram.Then what are you going to do about it? What is your solution? Pushing the responsibility on to them clearly isn't solving the problem.
But there have got to be some steps between saying "please play nice, guys" ad nauseum and "you're kicked out of this bar, never to return". Some kind of escalation or plan to deal with this.
It solves our problem though, I don't care if the two of them don't get along. Hell, I wouldn't even care if we set up a thread called Norton vs Kruegar and just let the two of them go at it for all eternity. This isn't about them, it's about the rest of the forum.
well, this is our plan right now. we're basically just saying to both of them "shut up already"
That’s an interesting idea! But if implemented then the people entering the thread should be warned to keep arguments just to that thread. And maybe no using the report button unless something gets political?Now there is a thought, you could make a Thunderdome thread. If things get too heated the posters involved could take it to the Thunderdome to work out their shit. Those who are interested or amused by such displays can watch and everybody else could continue on their merry way.
Some rules would still need to apply, but some posters like to argue and that would provide them their space. Nobody forces them to participate, so they have the choice of dropping it or taking it out of earshot.
Kind of like old school employee management. Here are the gloves you two kiss and make up, or take it out back and settle it in the alley.
Too bad the Mods can't get people to self-police themselves into scrolling past what annoys them instead of mashing the Report button like a kid who wants his pudding even though he hasn't eaten his meat.
Is it a sign of a weak mind to reply to yourself? In any case I thought about the Thunder dome idea and I’m concerned it would change the tone and tenor of the site as I doubt people could confine their emotions to the thread. Right now, at least, those emotions are suppressed.That’s an interesting idea! But if implemented then the people entering the thread should be warned to keep arguments just to that thread. And maybe no using the report button unless something gets political?
Who let the geese lover in?I ignore chuckleheads all the time. And I rarely post memes. And I love canadian geese.
Be more like me.
...or don't. That's probably a bad idea.
I'm also not explicitly calling anyone on the forums a chucklehead. But I'm also not not implicitly doing so, either.
Who let the geese lover in?
Now there is a thought, you could make a Thunderdome thread. If things get too heated the posters involved could take it to the Thunderdome to work out their shit. Those who are interested or amused by such displays can watch and everybody else could continue on their merry way.
Some rules would still need to apply, but some posters like to argue and that would provide them their space. Nobody forces them to participate, so they have the choice of dropping it or taking it out of earshot.
Kind of like old school employee management. Here are the gloves you two kiss and make up, or take it out back and settle it in the alley.
Absolutely not. You are one of my top five favorite posters here. You are forbidden from leaving.
Makes me sad for the low bar that's apparently been set, but I'll take it.