The Martial Arts Thread

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Since this thread is slowly becoming me talking about instructionals...whatever, let's talk some:skeleton:!

So I was watching Thomas Lisboa talking about his favourite position, the crucifix. Somehow, this guy has the most sleep-inducing voice ever (and chokes, no doubt, but let me tell you about his voice:tongue:)!
I mean, I'm still not done with the first part, because I managed to fall asleep four times (and working on the fifth right now:thumbsup:) while watching it... despite his material being extremely interesting. He's not presenting it poorly, either!
And he also has sleep-inducing chokes, I'll grant him that... but then he is a black belt, he should have those!
However, I suspect he should try to just talk to his opponents while holding them in crucifix. Might never have to choke them out again:devil:!

...which gives me an idea for an NPC, of course!


In other news, I'm going to have to buy myself some sambovki (sambo shoes). Turns out, they are allowed in our gym, as long as they don't stain the floor and clothes (even when you're sweaty...which might require sticking them a few times in the washing machine, or equivalent).
Why does this matter?
Well, I've had broken toenails on both legs. I had them when I started training, too...I just endured the feeling (pain is just a feeling:gunslinger:). But now it turns out I could have saved myself some pain.
Yeah, I feel I should have asked earlier:shade:!
 
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So I stepped in and stopped a friend from getting silly outside the bar tonight (at some moderate cost). He wasn't happy about it, but I was. If it had been just a little fist tossing I wouldn't have bothered, but I know blood lust when I see it, and I like my friends too much. Being a nice guy is a lot of fucking work sometimes.
 
So I stepped in and stopped a friend from getting silly outside the bar tonight (at some moderate cost). He wasn't happy about it, but I was. If it had been just a little fist tossing I wouldn't have bothered, but I know blood lust when I see it, and I like my friends too much. Being a nice guy is a lot of fucking work sometimes.
Who was in blood lust, the friend or the other guy(s):shade:?

Also, yes, it's a lot of work and preciously little fucking results from it:devil:!
 
Who was in blood lust, the friend or the other guy(s):shade:?

Also, yes, it's a lot of work and preciously little fucking results from it:devil:!
Him not me. I recognize it because I've seen in myself often enough and the results are ... bad. I'm older and wiser than I used to be.
 
Him not me. I recognize it because I've seen in myself often enough and the results are ... bad. I'm older and wiser than I used to be.
Yeah, ain't we all...older, I mean:grin:?

And yeah, it's a good thing you stopped him. Might have been lots of trouble for him, otherwise, especially if he's from your judo club...falls on concrete suck:thumbsup:.

We were practicing a judo throw Thursday (some kind of leg sweep, not sure about the classification). One of the guys I was practicing with got on my "no way am I showing you anything unsportsmanlike" list, after he expressed a desire to apply this on the street.
Me: "Yeah, don't, you might go to prison over it if the guy falls on his head".
Him: "Only if they find me".
Me (saying): "Yeah, don't count on that..." (while thinking): "OK, you're now on the NWAISYAU list":shade:.
 
He's not a guy from my club, just a friend who throws fists. But there were too many people looking to jump in and the cops were lying in wait right around the corner. And the guy in question (not my buddy) was going to get brutalized in short order, so assault charges for everyone.
 
He's not a guy from my club, just a friend who throws fists. But there were too many people looking to jump in and the cops were lying in wait right around the corner. And the guy in question (not my buddy) was going to get brutalized in short order, so assault charges for everyone.
Yeah, sounds like that would have been a clusterfuck:thumbsup:.
 
He would have put him in the hospital in about two minutes. Hence my stepping in.
Yeah, and the cops would have loved writing the reports for that, right?
To quote a smart man, "that would have been a clusterfuck":grin:!
 
He's not a guy from my club, just a friend who throws fists. But there were too many people looking to jump in and the cops were lying in wait right around the corner. And the guy in question (not my buddy) was going to get brutalized in short order, so assault charges for everyone.




I used to get into scraps throughout school into my early 20s until I figured out it wasn't worth the risk of either being seriously hurt/killed or doing the same to some jackass.
 



I used to get into scraps throughout school into my early 20s until I figured out it wasn't worth the risk of either being seriously hurt/killed or doing the same to some jackass.

Yup, that's what I wanted to explain to the street judo guy:thumbsup:.
 
Sorry, guys, but I'm not sure I follow your logic here. My logic was simply "that's another fight of a boxer vs an MMA fighter, but AFAIK it should be less one-sided...and since you're both boxing fans, that might be of interest".
What Metallica, or that "sword fight" have to do with it, I've got no idea:shade:!
 
Like most of these fights I find it more sad, Pulev is washed and should retire.
 
Sorry, guys, but I'm not sure I follow your logic here. My logic was simply "that's another fight of a boxer vs an MMA fighter, but AFAIK it should be less one-sided...and since you're both boxing fans, that might be of interest".
What Metallica, or that "sword fight" have to do with it, I've got no idea:shade:!

I just thought it would be funny if the ''appearance"literally just an appearance.

Personally I am not a fan of the boxer versus mma guy thing. I think these are different sports, and I feel like this is more a return to the early days of MMA (maybe there is a place for that kind of event, but not my cup of tea: I prefer watching a boxing match, watching an MMA match, watching a Taekwondo match or a judo match).

I am generally not a fan of the circus like promotions we have been having lately. Not that this fight is circus-like but there seem to be a lot of match ups that are putting getting attention ahead of safety of the fighters.
 
Like most of these fights I find it more sad, Pulev is washed and should retire.
How washed is he, really:shock:? He claimed recently he doesn't need money and just likes the sport, IIRC...

And either way, I believe a lot would depend on the rules themselves. Holding is going to be permitted...but are they going to permit ground work? With strikes or without? Thai clinch?
A lot of things can tip it one way or the other.
I just thought it would be funny if the ''appearance"literally just an appearance.
Oh, you meant "guest appearance by Metallica"...:grin:

Personally I am not a fan of the boxer versus mma guy thing. I think these are different sports, and I feel like this is more a return to the early days of MMA (maybe there is a place for that kind of event, but not my cup of tea: I prefer watching a boxing match, watching an MMA match, watching a Taekwondo match or a judo match).
Well, a lot of MMA players were first coming from some other sport even today, AFAICT. MMA should include such events, because if they can't deal with a specialist under MMA rules, something would be wrong.

I am generally not a fan of the circus like promotions we have been having lately. Not that this fight is circus-like but there seem to be a lot of match ups that are putting getting attention ahead of safety of the fighters.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of those, either (I make an exception for a potential Tyson vs Youtubers match).
But unless Pulev is like Holyfield health-wise without me knowing, and/or unrestricted grappling is permitted, Belfort should be in for a much tougher and less one-sided event:shade:!
 
How washed is he, really:shock:? He claimed recently he doesn't need money and just likes the sport, IIRC...

And either way, I believe a lot would depend on the rules themselves. Holding is going to be permitted...but are they going to permit ground work? With strikes or without? Thai clinch?
A lot of things can tip it one way or the other.

Oh, you meant "guest appearance by Metallica"...:grin:


Well, a lot of MMA players were first coming from some other sport even today, AFAICT. MMA should include such events, because if they can't deal with a specialist under MMA rules, something would be wrong.


Yeah, I'm not a fan of those, either (I make an exception for a potential Tyson vs Youtubers match).
But unless Pulev is like Holyfield health-wise without me knowing, and/or unrestricted grappling is permitted, Belfort should be in for a much tougher and less one-sided event:shade:!

I don't think Pulev's health is in danger, washed in boxing just means you're done as a top fighter.

Like Brendan I just want to see boxers vs. boxers. Because of all the different promotional companies a lot of the best fights take forever or never happen.

Crawford-Porter is the upcoming boxing match to watch. It will be barn-burner.
 
Not a Tyson fan but this pic of Canelo and his daughter in matching silk pajamas (a boxing-nerd reference to a classic quote from Hagler*) is adorable.

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*The quote is:

“It's hard to get out of bed in the morning to go for a run when you're sleeping in silk sheets."
 
I don't think Pulev's health is in danger, washed in boxing just means you're done as a top fighter.
OK, then I've been using "washed" wrong:smile:.
And if that's the case, I think Belfort is washed as well. I wouldn't expect him to fight for a MMA title any time soon:wink:.

Like Brendan I just want to see boxers vs. boxers. Because of all the different promotional companies a lot of the best fights take forever or never happen.
Yes, the fact that some of the best fights don't happen is unfortunate, but you really can't do much about that.
And - obviously unlike you two - I like "style vs style" contests (as long as they don't jeopardize the health of the fighters). So I'm interested in this, the question is what rules would give both of them the most equal odds...

Amusingly, the optimal rules might be those of Lethwei/MT in standing, and sambo rules on the ground (meaning Belfort would have some time to win there, but only if Pulev is unable to even stall).
Crawford-Porter is the upcoming boxing match to watch. It will be barn-burner.
Probably, but is it going to happen:shade:?

Also, I really like the Hagler quote:grin:!
 
Oh yeah Crawford and Porter is going to happen, scheduled and neither guy ducks anyone, Crawford is the one people duck. Crawford would still be rated p4p king but he's been suffering from inactivity.

 
Oh yeah Crawford and Porter is going to happen, scheduled and neither guy ducks anyone, Crawford is the one people duck. Crawford would still be rated p4p king but he's been suffering from inactivity.


Great, then I'm going to consider it:thumbsup:.
But I'd still like to see Pulev-Belfort as well:shade:. I'm much less of a "boxing-only" fan than you two.
 
Pulev-Belfort ain't gonna happen. Instead there's going to be Pulev-Other MMA fighter.
We also have confirmation that the rules of Triad Combat (sp?) are "closer to boxing", whatever that means. Probably limited groundwork and maybe some other restrictions, say on clinch?

Also, I'm currently watching a video by Mark Lajhner*, a Serbian MMA coach who lists the 6 Cardinal Sins of MMA training.
Of course, that's from his point of view, which was no doubt influenced by the injuries he racked up while in judo - he actually lists the major ones, and points out that he got a record of 5-0 in MMA after he left judo.
What he didn't list, but I found out, was that of his wins, 3 came by stoppages via KO/TKO. Not a single submission...which ain't what I'd expect from a grappler/judoka. But if it works, it works:grin:!

So...I liked his clip so much (and I can't share it, because it's in embedded, and found in some streaming platform I'm not familiar with), that I decided to list them for you:thumbsup:.
You can find it in his instagram, BTW. But for those not so interested, let me list, with no further ado:
The Six Cardinal Sins of MMA (a.k.a. SCS of MMA) according to Mark Lajhner:
1. Learning a technique too fast and too hard, too soon. (Learn slow first, then progress to fast).
2. Sparring at full intensity too often. (You get injured and your progress actually slows down, even conditioning-wise).
3. Disregarding the mental aspects of MMA. (In his words: many people think this has something to do with Yoda...while it means mental exercises, say from NLP - or wherever - for replacing self-limiting mental attitudes:angel:)!
4. Not putting yourself in inferior positions (in practice). Advocating situational training, this coach is! (I approve).
5. Lack of tactics before a fight. ("There are two types of MMA fighters: those that are tacticians and those that aren't". Then he clears it that champions can be from either category, but those that aren't tacticians usually get injured more. Not a fan of exchanging punches, either!)
6. Absence from training while injured. I admit this one gave me pause initially, but he makes a good argument for it:shade:!


So, guys, what are your thoughts? (My thoughts are "this is the third MMA coach I'd like to train with, after Steve Morris and Nicolas Renier, and possibly one of the few that would actually agree to pay me attention"... Oh, sure, we could add Randy Couture, Matt Lindland, Bas Rutten, Math Thornton, Carlos Machado, Anderson Silva or Machida while we're at it - or many others - but fat chance of those ones paying any attention to a recreational practitioner like me.
So I just might go to Belgrade next year. We'll see).


*I'm not conversant in Serbian, but AFAICT, you should read the La as the La in La Cucaracha, j as the i in I, and the h as the h in hero. The a is being read as the a in father (or in La Cucaracha, again), and the e is read as one of the latter two es in defenestration:tongue:.
 
Lack of tactics before a fight?? Do people actually do this? In boxing that sounds like a recipe for disaster.
 
Lack of tactics before a fight?? Do people actually do this? In boxing that sounds like a recipe for disaster.
Even in boxing, some champions had one tactic: let's go out there and brawl:thumbsup:!
Which works. But if the opponent has the same tactic, you might be hurting afterwards...which we've seen as well:shade:. Recently, a kickboxing champion basically was unrecognizable after winning.

So the coach's point is to go a couple steps further, like "identify his strengths, your strengths, then bring the fight where he's weak and you're strong" (ideally, I presume... if your styles are focused in the same areas, this is much harder, as I can attest myself).
 
So, I found out about the rules of Triad Combat:tongue:!



Basically, it's "punches only, no ground, no throws, no submissions". Though it allows and encourages "striking clinch", as well as hammerfists, backfists and superman punches...yeah, I can see boxers dominating there. In fact, I'd expect wrestlers with some MMA experience to be the most serious competitors to boxers, though some MT/KB guys (those that prefer punching and clinching) might also find it to their liking...:grin:

Why do I expect wrestlers to perform well, you ask? Surely they have worse punching?
Sure, but remember, this is a triangular ring...supposedly an equilateral one:gunslinger:!
Yeah, if you get into a corner, you're going to have a real hard time (remember, by laws of geometry, this means you only have 2/3 - 66,6% - of the space you have in the corner of a boxing ring - it's 60 degree angle vs a 90 degree angle...
And we all know being cornered makes your life harder when boxing.
Now if you get in a corner and tied in the (fully legal) "striking clinch"? Better hope your striking clinch is better than the other guy's...:devil:

However, if you don't remember who introduced striking clinch to MMA: it was the wrestlers. Clinching is basically what they do...Randy Couture, Matt Lindland and many others are a testament to that:shade:!
So yeah, if you're a wrestler facing a striker, pull/push/drag him into that corner, and keep bashing him. You can take a step back, release, bash some uppercuts and hammerfists, and then re-engage. He's unlikely to have space to slip by you...I mean, it's possible, but made even harder by the form of the ring - almost as if it was meant to facilitate exactly that kind of fight:thumbsup:!

If you're commenting Triad Combat: prepare to scream "oh, he got him in the corner" a lot:skeleton:!

Edited to add: OTOH, if it's a big enough ring, and a boxer can avoid being backed into a corner...yeah, I can see it working really well for him, too!
So I sure hope Pulev is working on his wrestling and striking clinch. He doesn't need to add additional strikes as much as learning to recognize them. Though him throwing hammerfists would come as a total surprise, too!
 
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Even in boxing, some champions had one tactic: let's go out there and brawl:thumbsup:!
Which works. But if the opponent has the same tactic, you might be hurting afterwards...which we've seen as well:shade:. Recently, a kickboxing champion basically was unrecognizable after winning.

So the coach's point is to go a couple steps further, like "identify his strengths, your strengths, then bring the fight where he's weak and you're strong" (ideally, I presume... if your styles are focused in the same areas, this is much harder, as I can attest myself).

I can't think of many great boxers I would define as brawlers in that sense. Some great boxers do claim they go into the ring without much of a plan and just adapt in the ring but to really pull that off you have to be top-flight in terms of skill.

The aforementioned Terence Crawford and an up and coming contender Boots Ennis are two I've heard make that particular claim.

Certainly being able to adapt to what happens in the ring and to have a Plan B and C, etc. if you need it is the sign of a great boxer but going in having studied and prepared for your particular opponent is also the sign of a great boxer. Canelo is a good example of the latter.
 
So, I found out about the rules of Triad Combat:tongue:!



Basically, it's "punches only, no ground, no throws, no submissions". Though it allows and encourages "striking clinch", as well as hammerfists, backfists and superman punches...yeah, I can see boxers dominating there. In fact, I'd expect wrestlers with some MMA experience to be the most serious competitors to boxers, though some MT/KB guys (those that prefer punching and clinching) might also find it to their liking...:grin:

Why do I expect wrestlers to perform well, you ask? Surely they have worse punching?
Sure, but remember, this is a triangular ring...supposedly an equilateral one:gunslinger:!
Yeah, if you get into a corner, you're going to have a real hard time (remember, by laws of geometry, this means you only have 2/3 - 66,6% - of the space you have in the corner of a boxing ring - it's 60 degree angle vs a 90 degree angle...
And we all know being cornered makes your life harder when boxing.
Now if you get in a corner and tied in the (fully legal) "striking clinch"? Better hope your striking clinch is better than the other guy's...:devil:

However, if you don't remember who introduced striking clinch to MMA: it was the wrestlers. Clinching is basically what they do...Randy Couture, Matt Lindland and many others are a testament to that:shade:!
So yeah, if you're a wrestler facing a striker, pull/push/drag him into that corner, and keep bashing him. You can take a step back, release, bash some uppercuts and hammerfists, and then re-engage. He's unlikely to have space to slip by you...I mean, it's possible, but made even harder by the form of the ring - almost as if it was meant to facilitate exactly that kind of fight:thumbsup:!

If you're commenting Triad Combat: prepare to scream "oh, he got him in the corner" a lot:skeleton:!


A lot of clinching is looked down upon in boxing and can lead to point deductions but some, like Klitschko, Andre Ward and Bernard Hopkins used it very successfully as a tactic.

Shawn Porter who is fighting Crawford tonight is another effective user of clinches to frustrate and overwhelm his opponents.
 
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I can't think of many great boxers I would define as brawlers in that sense. Some great boxers do claim they go into the ring without much of a plan and just adapt in the ring but to really pull that off you have to be top-flight in terms of skill.

The aforementioned Terence Crawford and an up and coming contender Boots Ennis are two I've heard make that particular claim.

Certainly being able to adapt to what happens in the ring and to have a Plan B and C, etc. if you need it is the sign of a great boxer but going in having studied and prepared for your particular opponent is also the sign of a great boxer. Canelo is a good example of the latter.
To be honest, I was thinking "Marciano" or "Tyson"...they're kinda like what they used to say about Khabib: everyone knows what he's going to do and nobody managed to prevent him from doing exactly that:grin:!

Also, I just added a couple lines to the previous post about Triad Combat.
 
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To be honest, I was thinking "Marciano" or "Tyson"...they're kinda like what they used to say about Khabib: everyone knows what he's going to do and nobody managed to prevent him from doing exactly that:grin:!

Also, I just added a couple lines to the previous post about Triad Combat.

I'm not a big fan of Tyson but early on he wasn't a brawler, for instance he used head movement a lot early on which made him much more dangerous than later. After he stopped moving his head he was much more there to he hit but he was consciously protected from most skiller boxers by that point.

And his predictable style and lack of stamina was exactly how Holyfield and Douglas completely dominated him.

I haven't watched enough of Marciano to comment on him, that he wasn't a fully skilled as other HW greats I have heard though.
 
I'm not a big fan of Tyson but early on he wasn't a brawler, he used head movement a lot early on which made him much more dangerous than later.

And his predictable style and lack of stamina was exactly how Holyfield and Douglas completely dominated him.

I haven't watched enough of Marciano to comment on him, that he wasn't a fully skilled as other HW greats I have heard though.
Yeah, but many others didn't manage to use his predictable style and lack of stamina.
And Marciano has even less defeats...though he didn't have reach advantage in almost any fight:shade:.

Mind you, I'm NOT saying it's good tactics! I'm saying "it happens and can even work, but probably at a cost". It's not a good idea in MMA, boxing, or even street fighting, though. Which is exactly the point the coach in question was making, too!


A lot of clinching is looked down upon in boxing and can lead to point deductions but some, like Klitschko, Andre Ward and Bernard Hopkins used iz very successfully as a tactic.

Shawn Porter who is fighting Crawford tonight is another effective user of clinches to frustrate and overwhelm his opponents.
"Manos de Piedra" is my go-to example, and favourite:thumbsup:.

So I'm not saying boxers can't be good clinchers, of course they can! What I'm saying is "relatively few of them are, especially in amateurs, while almost all of Greco-Roman wrestling happens in a clinch, so guess who's going to have an advantage there - that's exactly what happened in MMA".
Now, as I just added to my previous post before your edit:
"OTOH, if it's a big enough ring, and a boxer can avoid being backed into a corner...yeah, I can see it working really well for him, too!
So I sure hope Pulev is working on his wrestling and striking clinch. He doesn't need to add additional strikes as much as learning to recognize them. Though him throwing hammerfists would probably come as a total surprise, too!"
 
Yeah, but many others didn't manage to use his predictable style and lack of stamina.
And Marciano has even less defeats...though he didn't have reach advantage in almost any fight:shade:.

Mind you, I'm NOT saying it's good tactics! I'm saying "it happens and can even work, but probably at a cost". It's not a good idea in MMA, boxing, or even street fighting, though. Which is exactly the point the coach in question was making, too!



"Manos de Piedra" is my go-to example, and favourite:thumbsup:.

So I'm not saying boxers can't be good clinchers, of course they can! What I'm saying is "relatively few of them are, especially in amateurs, while almost all of Greco-Roman wrestling happens in a clinch, so guess who's going to have an advantage there - that's exactly what happened in MMA".
Now, as I just added to my previous post before your edit:
"OTOH, if it's a big enough ring, and a boxer can avoid being backed into a corner...yeah, I can see it working really well for him, too!
So I sure hope Pulev is working on his wrestling and striking clinch. He doesn't need to add additional strikes as much as learning to recognize them. Though him throwing hammerfists would probably come as a total surprise, too!"

Tyson came up when the HW division was thin talentwise. Lots of tomato cans on his record. His best wins are an ancient (38!), formerly retired (2 years!) Holmes and a former middleweight Michael Spinks coming way, way up in weight. Tillis came very close to beating a 'prime' Tyson. Never got a rematch.

King protected him from fighting Holyfield and Lennox for as long as he could for a reason.

He never fought Bowe and after the Holyfield fight he never fought an elite fighter again until he was finally fed to Lennox by King.

Tyson's reputation among casual boxing fans right now is huge but historically he will be lucky to be considered a top 20 HW. He had a lot of potential early on but like a lot of boxers his mental weakness was his downfall.
 
Tyson came up when the HW division was thin talentwise. Lots of tomato cans on his record. His best wins are an ancient (38!), formerly retired (2 years!) Holmes and a former middleweight Michael Spinks coming way, way up in weight. Tillis came very close to beating a 'prime' Tyson. Never got a rematch.

King protected him from fighting Holyfield and Lennox for as long as he could for a reason.

He never fought Bowe and after the Holyfield fight he never fought an elite fighter again until he was finally fed to Lennox by King.

Tyson's reputation among casual boxing fans right now is huge but historically he will be lucky to be considered a top 20 HW. He had a lot of potential early on but like a lot of boxers his mental weakness was his downfall.
Man, you're speaking like "merely one of the top 20 heavyweights in boxing" isn't achievement enough to prove that "just brawl it out" can work...:shock:

And whatever the state of the HW division might have been at the time, he was a champion for quite a while. I agree he had (or has, IDK) issues, but it's not fair to blame him he didn't get to face tougher opponents at the time:thumbsup:!
 
Man, you're speaking like "merely one of the top 20 heavyweights in boxing" isn't achievement enough to prove that "just brawl it out" can work...:shock:

And whatever the state of the HW division might have been at the time, he was a champion for quite a while. I agree he had (or has, IDK) issues, but it's not fair to blame him he didn't get to face tougher opponents at the time:thumbsup:!

I was being generous cause Tyson fans can be delicate when you start stating facts. :shade:

And yes, you can only beat those who are there for you to fight but that kind of qualifier is not applied when people claim Tyson was an ATG. Three to four years as champ (two of them in prison), while studiously avoiding legit challengers like Holyfield, is not a long reign in boxing. Joe Louis was champ for 12 years when the HW divison was much more competitive and they fought way more often.
 
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I was being generous cause Tyson fans can be delicate when you start stating facts. :shade:

And yes, you can only beat those who are there for you to fight but that kind of qualifier is not applied when people claim Tyson was an ATG. Three to four years as champ (two of them in prison), while studiously avoiding legit challengers like Holyfield, is not a long reign in boxing. Joe Louis was champ for 12 years when the HW divison was much more competitive and they fought way more often.
Man, I've said it that boxing is a passing interest for me, but winning the heavyweight belt even once is still a huge achievement in my book, and defending it is even bigger (because you must have won it first:shade:).
Let me put it that way, there's 7x10^9 people in the world who'd never be able to do that:devil:.

And I still find Tyson to be a good boxer. The best, no, but that's not to say he's a bad one! Less than your standards? Sure. But I'd actually like to see him fighting under more open ruleset - even today (well, not against another boxing champ half his age, but against someone younger but with supposedly less skill). After all, the move he got famous for was a bite. And he'd tried to break the arm of another boxer in a scuffle, IIRC...not a boxing move, that. So I guess he might even find more open rules to his liking:tongue:?

Anyway, my whole claim about him is that he had a pretty predictable style (kinda like spamming an alpha-strike in an RPG:grin:).
Which many people in other combat sports have taken to mean that "just brawl it out" works. And the whole discussion started from Mark Nejhner saying "yeah, sure, it might work, but it's going to cost you - probably injuries you could have avoided" (and me agreeing, BTW). That's something I'm sure you'd agree with as well...

So I'm really not sure what we're arguing, to be honest...are you saying "no planning would never work in boxing"? You said it yourself, some boxers have claimed they don't do that.

For the record, I'm NOT saying Tyson was the GOAT in boxing. That honour goes to Joe Lewis, I've been told (I have no opinion, because I know I don't know enough about all the boxing champions). I'm saying he was the greatest heavyweight at one time - which is basically what "champion" means. And he was that, unless you believe he somehow won that in fixed fights...which I don't think anyone would claim:thumbsup:!

Oh, and let me just say that my favourite boxers are Roberto Duran, Dempsey, George Foreman, Klichko and Lomashenko. Tyson isn't really one of them (I don't dig peek-a-boo style, except it's visually impressive).
 
Today's post is a contextless quote from Carlos Machado:
"Jiu jitsu is, make him miserable while you're happy!"

You can actually say that's what fighting is about:shade:.
 
Today's context less
Today's post is a contextless quote from Carlos Machado:
"Jiu jitsu is, make him miserable while you're happy!"

You can actually say that's what fighting is about:shade:.

My todays contextless post is an unofficial quote from Randy Couture: "I can control any man by his asshole":heart:
 
By the way, Pulev won in the first round. Mir didn't manage to get him in a corner, and an outboxing fight went as it was expected: the submission specialist (which is what Mir is, they even named a lock on him - google Mir Lock:grin:) in a ruleset that disallows submissions and allows punches...lost to a boxer!

Big surprise to everyone, I know:shade:!

Also, Moracai Moracai I just found a very funny post about that quote:


If you're wondering, the guy talking is Neil Melanson:devil:.
I don't remember the name of the guy who looks more and more uncomfortable as he goes, but I can check, I've got that instructional at home:tongue:! Anyone wonder what he was thinking?
I'm betting on "I hope my parents don't watch the instructional just because I'm being used as a dummy", BTW:gunslinger:!
 
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By the way, Pulev won in the first round. Mir didn't manage to get him in a corner, and an outboxing fight went as it was expected: the submission specialist (which is what Mir is, they even named a lock on him - google Mir Lock:grin:) in a ruleset that disallows submissions and allows punches...lost to a boxer!

Big surprise to everyone, I know:shade:!

Also, Moracai Moracai I just found a very funny post about that quote:


If you're wondering, the guy talking is Neil Melanson:devil:.
I don't remember the name of the guy who looks more and more uncomfortable as he goes, but I can check, I've got that instructional at home:tongue:! Anyone wonder what he was thinking?
I'm betting on "I hope my parents don't watch the instructional just because I'm being used as a dummy", BTW:gunslinger:!


I see this clip. As the poster says what the hell was the ref doing here? Pulev was holding back because he could see Mir was unable to defend himself and was waiting for the ref to step in.

 
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