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So, I really felt The Book of Boba Fett was disjointed and confusing. I did think his motivation was reasonable but there's a lot of other stuff that makes me scratch my head. The vespa kids and indeed the vespa chase and I don't know, Tatooine just keeps getting more crowded.
I'm getting the impression that Tatooine wasn't as much of a shit hole as Luke implied. He just wanted to get off of it. Go somewhere else. The bigger cities had their own problems: looks like slavery and "worker slums" were a thing. And Hutt crime stuff. And the desert full of violent Tusken tribes and monsters of just about every kind.

Not a sparsely populated world, but not a pleasant one.

I can see why Luke wanted to GTF outta there.
 
I don’t know what happened there. I’ve seen pictures of Mark from 1976 and 1978 and he looks fine. His car accident happened in 1977 and they must have filmed this pretty close to that time. Even his hair seems fake. Are we even sure that’s him?
 
I don’t know what happened there. I’ve seen pictures of Mark from 1976 and 1978 and he looks fine. His car accident happened in 1977 and they must have filmed this pretty close to that time. Even his hair seems fake. Are we even sure that’s him?
Maybe they have him caked in makeup to hid the injuries.
 
Maybe they have him caked in makeup to hid the injuries.
Very probable. There’s always been this urban myth that Lucas had his face clawed at the beginning of Empire to explain his face looking slightly different.
 
So, I really felt The Book of Boba Fett was disjointed and confusing. I did think his motivation was reasonable but there's a lot of other stuff that makes me scratch my head. The vespa kids and indeed the vespa chase and I don't know, Tatooine just keeps getting more crowded.
I don't think it's getting crowded, it's that the locations we're given are just smaller spots on a bigger setting. Instead of just going to another town with maybe it's own flavour, we get... Jabba's palace. And Mos Eisley. Again.
 
The one thing I’m afraid of is Disney listening to the complainers too much and providing too much fan service material instead of branching out and doing new things, especially with the live TV and movies. I hope this Kenobi show shuts the door on Vader before they do any more fan service.
 
The one thing I’m afraid of is Disney listening to the complainers too much and providing too much fan service material instead of branching out and doing new things, especially with the live TV and movies. I hope this Kenobi show shuts the door on Vader before they do any more fan service.

They've been doing fan service since Jabba's palace in ROTJ. Why stop now?
Does this mean Leia's a Disney princess now?
 
The one thing I’m afraid of is Disney listening to the complainers too much and providing too much fan service material instead of branching out and doing new things, especially with the live TV and movies. I hope this Kenobi show shuts the door on Vader before they do any more fan service.
I wish they WOULD listen, we keep getting this garbage because they're IGNORING the original fans.
 
I wish they WOULD listen, we keep getting this garbage because they're IGNORING the original fans.
You can never just listen to one group of fans. Pretty soon old fans are old and then you are left with nothing. Old fans wanted this Boba Fett show, but not all old fans, because I was over here yawning.
 
You can never just listen to one group of fans. Pretty soon old fans are old and then you are left with nothing. Old fans wanted this Boba Fett show, but not all old fans, because I was over here yawning.
No, the old fans did NOT want this Boba Fett show. What we wanted was GOOD Star Wars, with a writing team that new and respected the lore behind it. Unfortunately, all Disney is listening to is the rich wine moms who adore baby Yoda. Which to be fair, to the money people in Disney, and given how well he sells even to the Star Wars haters and apathetic to the brand, why wouldn't they?
 
No, the old fans did NOT want this Boba Fett show. What we wanted was GOOD Star Wars, with a writing team that new and respected the lore behind it. Unfortunately, all Disney is listening to is the rich wine moms who adore baby Yoda. Which to be fair, to the money people in Disney, and given how well he sells even to the Star Wars haters and apathetic to the brand, why wouldn't they?
Alright, Chris. What kind of show or movie do you want to see?
 
ooo oooh oooooh! can I go?

I want a show where storm troopers are scary and crack shots who never miss. I want a show where a fallen jedi has turned to the dark side and is now a hobo with no ambition beyond being bitter and awful. I want a show where the damn writers have actually watched enough Star Wars to not contradict core material. I want a show where the bad guys are bad and the good guys are good. I don't know, I want a show that has coherency and vision and isn't afraid to go new places or show us new things. I don't want a show that's all self referential humor and stuck in one locale because it doesn't have the budget to go anywhere else. I want off Tatooine even more than Luke did.
 
The thing is that the Clones are the good guys fighting for the Republic even though the Republic's use of the clones is really morally unjustifiable. Storm Troopers are humans who are fighting to suppress and destroy any good guys that might be left out there.

I think in a show, I'd run both sides. Maybe a rebel cell and a squad of storm troopers and maybe the rebels do some things that make the storm troopers position a bit more justifiable. If the storm troopers are awful genocidal monsters it's hard to see the show being very appealing. But I'd like to see them as effective and scary, I'd like to see a rioting mob scatter and vanish just because they show up. I'd like to see them take out a superior force through skill and tactics.

What I did like in Resistance is how you got to watch the slow and insidious intrusion of the First Order. In Clone Wars Bad Batch you get something similar where you get to watch the empire stepping in and taking over. I'm not a huge Bad Batch fan but the scene where Grand Moff Tarkin re-negotiates the senate's deal with the Camino is one of the best bits in Star Wars ever. "Your contract was with the republic and that entity no longer exists." Seeing the empire betray their allies and treat them no better than they did their enemies is properly chilling.
 
So I'm an old time fan, though I'm not fanatical about canon. I haven't watched any of cartoon shows yet, as they were out when I wasn't in the mood for Star Wars that much. Honestly, Mandalorian and Rogue One got me back into wanting to see more Star Wars again.

I liked Boba Fett myself, except when it became Mandalorian 3.5. I felt it took away from Fett's story by focusing on Mando and the kid. I always felt Fett got shafted in RotJ, so seeing him back is a good thing to me.

I loved the parts when he was living with the Tuscans. Seeing them in a new light made them more interesting (as now we know they aren't all like the ones we had seen in the past).
 
Cad Bane should have been the one who killed Boba Fett's adoptive Tusken family.

It should have been an homage to this scene (nearly shot-by-shot, including the implied killing of that kid Tusken) here from Once Upon a Time in the West:



It would have been SO PERFECT that I'm willing to bet money that this was the plan but that Filoni or whoever said "NO! Cad Bane is my Gary Stu!!"

Edit: Goon: "Hey Bane, what should we do about that kid?"

Cad Bane: "Well, now that he's heard you say my name..."
 
So I'm an old time fan, though I'm not fanatical about canon. I haven't watched any of cartoon shows yet, as they were out when I wasn't in the mood for Star Wars that much. Honestly, Mandalorian and Rogue One got me back into wanting to see more Star Wars again.

I liked Boba Fett myself, except when it became Mandalorian 3.5. I felt it took away from Fett's story by focusing on Mando and the kid. I always felt Fett got shafted in RotJ, so seeing him back is a good thing to me.

I loved the parts when he was living with the Tuscans. Seeing them in a new light made them more interesting (as now we know they aren't all like the ones we had seen in the past).

Definitely need to watch the later seasons of Clone Wars and Rebels and Bad Batch, I don't consider myself a big SW fan but really enjoyed them.
 
Definitely need to watch the later seasons of Clone Wars and Rebels and Bad Batch, I don't consider myself a big SW fan but really enjoyed them.
Now that I have Disney +, I plan to. No right away though, as I'm trying to get through my short watch list on Starz before my six month subscription runs out (cause they don't have enough I'm interested in to make me keep it)
 
Alright, Chris. What kind of show or movie do you want to see?
Well, if I had the control, and given that Boba Fett was one of my favourite characters here's my plan. I'm not going to touch anything in the EU, as most of it wouldn't have happened surrounding his character anyway. Also, this is going to be a long one, so if you wanted something short and sweet, my apologies.

First we need to establish who he is. Most assume he's a blank slate but that's because they don't pay attention to details. Although he only had two scenes in Empire, we know this: First, he is ruthless, willing to blow up his targets. Second, he is respected and skilled, as Vader would call only on the best hunters in the galaxy for what he wants. Third, he's confident, maybe prideful, although he's not rude, a Sith Lord doesn't impressive, not to mention that Vader was going to give him Solo, despite not having actively captured him.

That's done.

Next is Motive: What drives him? Well, given that Solo managed to get lucky and almost kill him (Pride, he didn't think that a blind man could best him), the easy one is Revenge. At the same time, we'd want him to grow, be better as a person. Fans love that stuff.

I would also stop with the six part movies that D+ seems to want to turn all their new shows, and make Boba's story more episodic, where there's a through-line, but each is also a stand alone story.

Here's what I would have done for the first episode:

Boba frees himself from the Sarlaac, the rocket pack having one last burst of fuel left. His armour melted and mostly useless, his guns broken, he pulls himself up and heads back to the last place he remembers that he has stuff in: Jabba's palace. Dropping the useless gear except for a body glove and the helmet, he has one weapon left, a gauntlet mounted blaster with a couple of micro-rockets left and begins the long journey back. He doesn't notice the remains of Jabba's barge.

We get shots of a lone man wandering the dunes of Tattoine, maybe him avoiding a sandstorm, then they strike! Sand People! A massive gunfight ensues! Boba wins because he's just that bad ass, but he has to work for it. He got one weapon left, and there are many of them. Then he's stripping their outer robes for food, maybe another weapon and desert protection. You can't negotiate with Tusken Raiders, if you're not one of them, you must die.

At no time do we see his face. This way we can have a stuntman do all the work and let the actor be the voice. One of the best parts of acting is when you can get someone who can emote with his entire body, instead of just his/her face.

Finally, after a few weeks of travel, water low, food having run out and his gaffi stick/rifle empty, he arrives! Thinking that he's safe, the battered bounty hunter finds the entire place empty, all the criminals having fled for greener pastures. Shots of him looking through various locales inside the place. Once he gets to the armoury, he find a Twi'lek girl rummaging through it looking for stuff to sell

She has his back up gear!

Plucky, brave but clearly outmatched, she tries to take him but finds herself looking down the barrel of his second favourite carbine. Instead of gunning her down, Fett decides to take a chance and let her keep the other stuff, for information as to what happened. He finds out his last employer is dead, by the same crew that nearly killed him. And when the Hutt died, the rest of his men began fighting amongst each other for who controls what, some ran away to other syndicates, but in the end they abandoned this place.

The girl is a former Jabba dancer who wants a better life, and is looking for stuff to sell and a ship to get off world. They head down to the hanger, only to find out that Slave 1, and several other vessels are missing, yet we don't see any blast off marks. The End.

Next Episode would be centered around Fett and Girl finding that his patrol craft had been impounded and sits in a yard unattended, because no one can get in. And thus they need to go and get it from the renegade Imperials who are now using their firepower to extort the locals.

I just got all that off the cuff. It will need definite refinement, but that's the idea of the first episode, and the tone of the series. I could probably go on with more episodes.
 
Interesting...I guess when it comes to Boba Fett as a show I'd like to see a show where he's a badass bounty hunter. I realize there's room for character development and stuff but really, how Boba Got His Groove Back was a bit out of left field.
 
Interesting...I guess when it comes to Boba Fett as a show I'd like to see a show where he's a badass bounty hunter. I realize there's room for character development and stuff but really, how Boba Got His Groove Back was a bit out of left field.
Well, how is he going to fund his revenge mission? That's correct! Bounty Hunting.

Each episode would take him and his new partner to a new location, where they get into trouble hunting someone down. Then there's clashes with the newly remade Republic, remnants of the Empire still trying to assert control.

Lot's of things to do and make stories out of.
 
Well, if I had the control, and given that Boba Fett was one of my favourite characters here's my plan. I'm not going to touch anything in the EU, as most of it wouldn't have happened surrounding his character anyway. Also, this is going to be a long one, so if you wanted something short and sweet, my apologies.

First we need to establish who he is. Most assume he's a blank slate but that's because they don't pay attention to details. Although he only had two scenes in Empire, we know this: First, he is ruthless, willing to blow up his targets. Second, he is respected and skilled, as Vader would call only on the best hunters in the galaxy for what he wants. Third, he's confident, maybe prideful, although he's not rude, a Sith Lord doesn't impressive, not to mention that Vader was going to give him Solo, despite not having actively captured him.

That's done.

Next is Motive: What drives him? Well, given that Solo managed to get lucky and almost kill him (Pride, he didn't think that a blind man could best him), the easy one is Revenge. At the same time, we'd want him to grow, be better as a person. Fans love that stuff.

I would also stop with the six part movies that D+ seems to want to turn all their new shows, and make Boba's story more episodic, where there's a through-line, but each is also a stand alone story.

Here's what I would have done for the first episode:

Boba frees himself from the Sarlaac, the rocket pack having one last burst of fuel left. His armour melted and mostly useless, his guns broken, he pulls himself up and heads back to the last place he remembers that he has stuff in: Jabba's palace. Dropping the useless gear except for a body glove and the helmet, he has one weapon left, a gauntlet mounted blaster with a couple of micro-rockets left and begins the long journey back. He doesn't notice the remains of Jabba's barge.

We get shots of a lone man wandering the dunes of Tattoine, maybe him avoiding a sandstorm, then they strike! Sand People! A massive gunfight ensues! Boba wins because he's just that bad ass, but he has to work for it. He got one weapon left, and there are many of them. Then he's stripping their outer robes for food, maybe another weapon and desert protection. You can't negotiate with Tusken Raiders, if you're not one of them, you must die.

At no time do we see his face. This way we can have a stuntman do all the work and let the actor be the voice. One of the best parts of acting is when you can get someone who can emote with his entire body, instead of just his/her face.

Finally, after a few weeks of travel, water low, food having run out and his gaffi stick/rifle empty, he arrives! Thinking that he's safe, the battered bounty hunter finds the entire place empty, all the criminals having fled for greener pastures. Shots of him looking through various locales inside the place. Once he gets to the armoury, he find a Twi'lek girl rummaging through it looking for stuff to sell

She has his back up gear!

Plucky, brave but clearly outmatched, she tries to take him but finds herself looking down the barrel of his second favourite carbine. Instead of gunning her down, Fett decides to take a chance and let her keep the other stuff, for information as to what happened. He finds out his last employer is dead, by the same crew that nearly killed him. And when the Hutt died, the rest of his men began fighting amongst each other for who controls what, some ran away to other syndicates, but in the end they abandoned this place.

The girl is a former Jabba dancer who wants a better life, and is looking for stuff to sell and a ship to get off world. They head down to the hanger, only to find out that Slave 1, and several other vessels are missing, yet we don't see any blast off marks. The End.

Next Episode would be centered around Fett and Girl finding that his patrol craft had been impounded and sits in a yard unattended, because no one can get in. And thus they need to go and get it from the renegade Imperials who are now using their firepower to extort the locals.

I just got all that off the cuff. It will need definite refinement, but that's the idea of the first episode, and the tone of the series. I could probably go on with more episodes.
But where would you insert the episodes that have nothing to do with Boba and focus on the cooler bounty hunter and his little green pal?

Kidding. While I really enjoyed Mando, this sounds like a much better Boba show than we got.

In fact, having two shows like that would be great - one focused on the bounty hunter essentially giving up his career to dedicate himself to a “greater” purpose, and one that explores a character that remains a bounty hunter in order to fund a revenge plot. Kind of like two different sides of the same coin.
 
I don’t know what happened there. I’ve seen pictures of Mark from 1976 and 1978 and he looks fine. His car accident happened in 1977 and they must have filmed this pretty close to that time. Even his hair seems fake. Are we even sure that’s him?

My friends and I collected the bubblegum trading cards religiously at the time. Lucasfilm had taken new photos of the main actors in costume. You could tell they were taken after Star Wars was shot, because Harrison Ford's hair was much shorter, and his sideburns were gone; Carrie Fisher looked a lot thinner; and because Hamill's hair looked darker, and his nose was mashed. Hamill looked so different that a number of people thought it was a new actor. Obviously, his hair was lightened for the Holiday Special.

Another thing to keep in mind is that hair and makeup are done differently for film and TV videotape.
 
My friends and I collected the bubblegum trading cards religiously at the time. Lucasfilm had taken new photos of the main actors in costume. You could tell they were taken after Star Wars was shot, because Harrison Ford's hair was much shorter, and his sideburns were gone; Carrie Fisher looked a lot thinner; and because Hamill's hair looked darker, and his nose was mashed. Hamill looked so different that a number of people thought it was a new actor. Obviously, his hair was lightened for the Holiday Special.

Another thing to keep in mind is that hair and makeup are done differently for film and TV videotape.
Or, George was prepping for a different story for Clone Wars!
 
Thought for the day: Now that Disney owns all the Star Wars IP, does that make Leia a Disney princess?

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Thought for the day: Now that Disney owns all the Star Wars IP, does that make Leia a Disney princess?

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That's a question that's been brought up time and time again. The answer is no. Disney Princesses are crowned by Disney- they don't just become them by merits of being a princess. For example, Ana and Elsa will never be Disney princesses because of the sheer weight of Frozen.
 
That's a question that's been brought up time and time again. The answer is no. Disney Princesses are crowned by Disney- they don't just become them by merits of being a princess. For example, Ana and Elsa will never be Disney princesses because of the sheer weight of Frozen.
What do you mean by 'weight'?
 
What do you mean by 'weight'?
The weight of the property. Frozen is a beast in terms of merchandising and such. They'll never fold that into the Disney Princess umbrella.

‘Disney Princess’ is a media franchise consisting several of the most popular heroines in Disney films.

If you look at it in a business perspective, the 12 official members (Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, Belle, Jasmine, Pocahontas, Mulan, Tiana, Rapunzel, Merida and Moana) are all very popular, but couldn’t stand on their own and maintain their popular statuses individually. So Disney decided to put them together, assuming that none of them can maintain popularity alone, but together, they can be this popular girl group that people would admire. Eventually, the plan did work, and these characters are still recognized today.

On the other hand, Anna and Elsa are TOO popular (probably even more popular than all the Princesses in the franchise combined) that it seems unnecessary to include them in the group, since it looks like they’re doing fine on their own. Also, if you look at it in another kind of perspective, Anna and Elsa could easily overshadow the other Princesses in the group. Considering that Frozen now has a sequel that outperformed the original film, it proves further that they’re successful in their own right, and they don’t need the Princesses to lift them up anymore.

Instead of being branded as ‘Disney Princesses’, they became the leading ladies of their own media franchise “Disney Frozen”.
 
The weight of the property. Frozen is a beast in terms of merchandising and such. They'll never fold that into the Disney Princess umbrella.

‘Disney Princess’ is a media franchise consisting several of the most popular heroines in Disney films.

If you look at it in a business perspective, the 12 official members (Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, Belle, Jasmine, Pocahontas, Mulan, Tiana, Rapunzel, Merida and Moana) are all very popular, but couldn’t stand on their own and maintain their popular statuses individually. So Disney decided to put them together, assuming that none of them can maintain popularity alone, but together, they can be this popular girl group that people would admire. Eventually, the plan did work, and these characters are still recognized today.

On the other hand, Anna and Elsa are TOO popular (probably even more popular than all the Princesses in the franchise combined) that it seems unnecessary to include them in the group, since it looks like they’re doing fine on their own. Also, if you look at it in another kind of perspective, Anna and Elsa could easily overshadow the other Princesses in the group. Considering that Frozen now has a sequel that outperformed the original film, it proves further that they’re successful in their own right, and they don’t need the Princesses to lift them up anymore.

Instead of being branded as ‘Disney Princesses’, they became the leading ladies of their own media franchise “Disney Frozen”.
Ah, OK. From a marketing perspective, I can see your point. I can't disagree.
 
And I just thought Leia as a Disney princess was good for a laugh.
 
Normally, I don't include my feelings when I speak on things like this, because frankly, it doesn't matter what I think, the facts just are. But this?



Excuse me? What? 'Trap'? Star Trek in the 90's was at it's peak, the merchandise sales alone made the property valuable. I have no idea what you're going on about here.



Which ones? Because we have one side -The Media- that is still championing The Last Jedi after THREE YEARS STILL (Let it go! Most of the world has!) and HATE The Rise Of Skywalker for trying to 'fix' the story, and we have the other, who has lost interest in anything Star Wars, in fact, all these people are doing are using the articles to point out just how big a failure it's been. Most of them are sad that this happened to Star Wars.

Hell it's come out that Rian Johnson did everything in his power to destroy everything that JJ Abrams set up. And JJ was lured back from his 500m deal with Warner Bros. to clean up the mess left behind by Johnson because Disney was aghast at how damaged the franchise was after The Last Jedi. Johnson is also on record saying he didn't care about anything Star Wars when he was making his film.

The 'entitled fanboy crowd' that whine and complain about Star Wars online barely make up 10,000 people. It's not even 1% of the U.S. population, and yet, Star Wars STILL made less money with each iterative part of the sequel, with the last one barely scraping by the 1 billion mark, which is the new standard for profitability. And Solo: A Star Wars Story bombed, it apparently is in the hole 80m, and that's without taking in to account the reshoots, which probably doubled the production cost.

I'm not sure which 'influencers' you're taking about.



That's incorrect on a level that... Frankly boggles the mind. OK I'm going to put on my Story Writer hat: The problem with the Disney Stuff is how it actively doesn't pay attention to previous material, and I'm not talking the EU stuff. In fact, it takes apart the entire Original Trilogy.

So here's a few points:
What is The First Order? Exactly? What is their goal? Are they part of the left over Empire? If yes, where'd they get the technology and military power? Wouldn't they be dismantled if they were former Empire? And if they're new, how if the world did they escape notice from both the Empire and The Replubic?

Speaking of the Republic, where are they? What happened to Coruscant from the Prequels, even the Empire used it as their base of governmental power. And suddenly it's gone? What happened in those thirty or so years?

And then there's the damage it does to the main characters: The first trilogy (4-6) is now pointless because Han, Luke and Leia didn't achieve anything other than a brief respite, before being back at war. So Leia is now a failed revolutionary, Han is a deadbeat dad who ran away from his family, and Luke got turned into a cranky, mean hermit and almost child murderer after trying to kill his nephew and failing.

Supposed 'Heroes' who weren't in the end, just another bunch of failures.

And by the end of the Disney Trilogy, ultimately, the Emperor wins. The last person standing is a Palpatine. The supposed Emperor's Granddaughter. There are no Skywalkers or Solos left, they all died. As well as the question of: Is Palpatine IN Rey, because she did exactly as he asked her, kill him so he could enter her.

It's also all so inconsistent with each other, much less anything done by Lucas.

Take your favourite stories and imagine some new writer decides to write out the original heroes, minimize or negate any accomplishment the protagonists achieved just so they can make their own characters suddenly the 'real heroes' of the series of stories. It's thoughtless.



Not really, the frustration is the lack of respect that the property was treated with. The audience was assumed to be so stupid that they would go to anything with the name Star Wars was enough. Bob Iger said as much, and as Galaxy's Edge proved, he was wrong.

The interest in that franchise has dwindled. No one is showing it to their kids, like they do classic films or music. It's just another disposable commodity to be seen once and then forgotten.

Arguably the biggest franchise in the world, reduced to a disposable property. Sad.


Given that (and I'm not a Dr. Who watcher, so I could be wrong here) the last episode effectively changed the entire lore and background, by making the Timelords into child murderers and genetic thieves, I suppose I can understand the disaffection. Didn't Russel T. Davies make a comment on Twitter about how suddenly having 600 Doctors before suddenly lose impact, or some such?

But you know what? I don't think you care. It sounds to me (and I could be very wrong) that you're fully satisfied with the state of the modern American culture and quite happy to see it degraded and turned into a disposable property.

One last point, this 'entitled fanboy' crack is disingenuous because the audience IS entitled. We're entitled to a product that WE believe is worth OUR money. The movie makers are NOT entitled to our money. The AUDIENCE decides what is 'good' and what isn't.

Some actor, I think, made a crack somewhere online, maybe Twitter, about how if meal is bad you don't complain to the waiter. Except that YES, YOU DO. And you send it RIGHT back and demand you get your money's worth. Yes, sometimes the audience is wrong, but they still make the decision to give their money to a product/movie or not. They paid fifty bucks for a steak meal, not for the quiche that the Chef decided to make.

And before anyone decides to make some crack about how the customer want something 'exact', that's not true. They want something that treats them with respect and is entertaining, Disney's Star Wars, as the financials prove, isn't.


Which is to who, exactly? I hear this argument come up all the time, but given the financial decline of the property, I'm not sure even Lucasfilm knows what the audience is anymore.
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