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I played Savage Worlds once, found it fun. And fast enough. Not sure about furious.

BRP would be fine if Mythras didn't exist
BRP includes Mythras, as it’s a BRP game. But Mythras would be a bad choice of the BRP games to get people over to. “Now comes the part where you have to assemble the magic system” is not going to be a huge draw.
 
“Now comes the part where you have to assemble the magic system”
Ok. Then no, I disagree too. But then I think almost nothing is a worse idea to get people to move away from D&D than using another rule set to try and be D&D. Be your own thing and the players can discover that game and find out if they like the kinds of games the system facilitates. Try to be D&D and you'll just fail, because you'll never be better at being D&D than D&D.
 
Ok. Then no, I disagree too. But then I think almost nothing is a worse idea to get people to move away from D&D than using another rule set to try and be D&D. Be your own thing and the players can discover that game and find out if they like the kinds of games the system facilitates. Try to be D&D and you'll just fail, because you'll never be better at being D&D than D&D.

I mean, that's fair, it's also why I personally see Call of Cthulhu as one of the best contenders to get people out of the D&D box, because it's such a complete shift in approach, yet at the same time has a very clear structure to hang adventures on.
 
I mean, that's fair, it's also why I personally see Call of Cthulhu as one of the best contenders to get people out of the D&D box, because it's such a complete shift in approach, yet at the same time has a very clear structure to hang adventures on.
Yep, that I can agree with (and, still BRP to boot, so win-win). And I'm sure Mythras Classic Fantasy is a good implementation of the Mythras rules for running something like D&D, I just feel like that's mainly something you'd want to do if you're already really sold on Mythras but get a hankering for some duhngeoneering shenanigans.

I also think, just from watching bits and pieces of various D&D actual play shows (I've been able to make my way through exactly one full episode of such, but there's a bunch of short clips), that a lot of players aren't really that interested in classic D&D fantasy. They want to do something different, and D&D is the ruleset they know. So yeah, Call of Cthulhu is probably a good answer.
 
I couldn't agree less. Savage Words bores me to tears. It isn't fast, it isn't furious, and it isn't fun. BRP is the answer. Maybe in the very heavily modified form of Dragonbane.
I am the opposite, I have found Savage Worlds to be great fun. We have played everything from Ghostbusters to wise guys to sword & sorcery to rock and roll stars fighting demons with it and it handled all quite well even when played theater of the mind.
 
I mean, that's fair, it's also why I personally see Call of Cthulhu as one of the best contenders to get people out of the D&D box, because it's such a complete shift in approach, yet at the same time has a very clear structure to hang adventures on.

Predicting it now, if Call of Cthulhu starts gaining more traction as an alternative to WotC D&D, we're going to see more whining and hit pieces saying "CoC's sanity rules are problematic".

Chaosium will then start falling over themselves in a rush to further scrub and rephrase those rules in the next supplement and edition.

... which honestly might benefit me because the sanity rules are one of the three main deal-breakers* that have kept me away from CoC :tongue:. Not because they offend me, but because I find them bulky, oppressive and unfun as a GM, let alone as a player.

*The other two being the setting's nihilism and the weird ways the characteristic/skill systems don't seem to connect very often and are hard to adjudicate.
 

I transitioned two 5E D&D games to Mythras. The first one was Classic Fantasy and the second was just regular ole Mythras. Both groups loved it and said they wouldn’t want to go back to D&D.

My CF game is were mostly RPG noobs who found Mythras to be MUCH easier to grok.
 
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