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A hundred dollars for both books before (international) shipping? Big no-no for me.

Forty dollars for the PDFs... yeah, maybe. Not crazy about it but that's how much I spent on the Savage Rifts set.

I've been meaning to try Numenera for a long time, and domain management is My Thing. So I'm very tempted.
 
Why does it need a '2'?

Edit: Never mind, just had a look. Not a new edition, just a cash dash.
 
It's a 100 dollars for the pdfs only. 40 only gets you the three books...not the best KS I've seen.

I do like Numenera and the cypher system but currently I'm nah
 
It's a 100 dollars for the pdfs only. 40 only gets you the three books...not the best KS I've seen.

I do like Numenera and the cypher system but currently I'm nah

Yeah, if you already have a collection you're better off waiting for Destiny to come out and picking it up.

Also $40 for the four PDFs and $100 for the four PDFs plus bonus goals? D'oh
 
Yeah, if you already have a collection you're better off waiting for Destiny to come out and picking it up.

Also $40 for the four PDFs and $100 for the four PDFs plus bonus goals? D'oh
It feels like a bit of a fail to be honest unless they smash out a few more stretch goals.
 
Colour me hugely disappointed. I'm a big fan of the system and very excited for Destiny.

But 120$ USD (without shipping) for both books? YIKES I'd be better off waiting to buy them from my local FLGS here in Canada. It would cost me MORE to get them from this Kickstarter than getting them off the shelf. That can't be right?

Something doesn't seem to compute?
 
Colour me hugely disappointed. I'm a big fan of the system and very excited for Destiny.

But 120$ USD (without shipping) for both books? YIKES I'd be better off waiting to buy them from my local FLGS here in Canada. It would cost me MORE to get them from this Kickstarter than getting them off the shelf. That can't be right?

Something doesn't seem to compute?
That's what I thought.
 
I've only bought one RPG book ever at $60 and it was the Conan Atlantean Edition D20 game. Only my profound love for Conan and Robert E. Howard compelled me to pull out my wallet and purchase it. Even then I gave it some resistance. I couldn't see doing that again at any time.
 
Yeah, if you already have a collection you're better off waiting for Destiny to come out and picking it up.

But the slipcover!

Also $40 for the four PDFs and $100 for the four PDFs plus bonus goals? D'oh
Especially as the next Stretch Goal is a Player's Guide which a cut down version of the core book. I can see that having value as a physical product, but if I only have PDF, it is worth nothing. I can split the player chapters out of the PDF myself. Instant Player's Guide.

This will do fine though because Monte Cook and Numenera are established brands. It really does set up to make people on the fence pass on it though. The $40 level for two core books might get me on board, being cut out of any stretch goals make me wonder why I don't just wait and buy them when they are out. Stretch goals are half the fun of a Kickstarter.
 
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Hang on: 100$ for all of the Kickstarter PDFs? ouch.

Goodman Games are a far smaller company (I think?) and their last Kickstarters were far more generous...

Maybe it's because of all the glossy, full colour, watermarked pages? I wish Monte Cook Games would do plain grayscale (B&W) versions so that they'd be more accessible.
 
Hang on: 100$ for all of the Kickstarter PDFs? ouch.

Goodman Games are a far smaller company (I think?) and their last Kickstarters were far more generous...

Maybe it's because of all the glossy, full colour, watermarked pages? I wish Monte Cook Games would do plain grayscale (B&W) versions so that they'd be more accessible.
If he adds three more 'serious' books (players guide my ass) I might consider all in PDF but till then no way.
 
I was on board for the original and the setting expansion (which gave me a ton of material), but I'm not sure I'm on board for this one. I love the setting, but the Cypher system does nothing for me, and I don't think I'll ever get use out of the destiny campaign.
 
I like Monte Cook but if you want to spend your money efficiently it's almost always better to wait. With his companies in particular their products are always extensively produced and available on the secondary market for half retail within a year it seems. I wouldn't say that's true of people who license or produce products in his game world under license though. I have a 48"x72" vinyl map of Ptolus that's appreciated nicely.

Ptolus actually might be the only product line of his that has gone up in value vs down. I think people saw a $100 book as ungodly expensive back then vs in the area of reasonable as enough people see that price point now.
 
Thanks for posting this, Horus.

I'm a big fan of the system. Probably going to back the kickstarter.
 
Huh. Looking it over, the 40 oz. option seems the best option for my purposes.
 
Another game for which I've got unsold books on the shelf and a new edition is coming out. It really is technically, indeed it is a proper new edition, normally I'd be thrilled.
 
I don't feel it's a new edition, the corebook is getting an update but everything else being produced is value add and nothing I own is invalidated.

I like numenera and it's a game my players will probably enjoy (at some point) but the pledges are wacky. I'll get them eventually put pledge? Probably not.
 
Colour me hugely disappointed. I'm a big fan of the system and very excited for Destiny.

But 120$ USD (without shipping) for both books? YIKES I'd be better off waiting to buy them from my local FLGS here in Canada. It would cost me MORE to get them from this Kickstarter than getting them off the shelf. That can't be right?

Something doesn't seem to compute?

Given that the very first stretch goal is a whole other hardback, I really don't understand why they didn't just make that hardback part of the initial $120 offer. By setting it at such a slow stretch goal level, they were guaranteed to be sending it at that level anyway, and they wouldn't have created the psychological barrier of people feeling they were paying so much for two books.

I don't feel it's a new edition, the corebook is getting an update but everything else being produced is value add and nothing I own is invalidated.

Monte Cook does deserve props for revising the book but leaving backwards compatibility. Savage Worlds is another system that is good about that. It have been through four versions, but you can use any supplement with any core book without an issue.
 
I'm really surprised at the low value factor, particularly for PDF buyers.
 
Sadly I've decided to pass. Monte Cook Games are rather popular and they don't need much help getting funded at this point. I've decided to spend my month's allotment of disposable income on something that I can use immediately with my players: the Tomb of Annihilation.

In a year or so, when the books hit the shelves, I'll totally buy the Destiny book.
 
Expensive. Real expensive... And I already have a bunch of Kickstarters I'm backing right now.

Sorry Monte. You've got a poor track record of getting my money, mate.
 
I'm in the "pass" camp as well, but only because I bought their bundle of holding a few years ago and still haven't managed to read the corebook, much less anything else that came in the bundle.
 
Hmmm That double slipcase looks gorgeous...just not the right time for me to shell out $120 USD for it .
With the current poor exchange rate that will set me back $154 AUD, and I'll still have to pay to get it shipped.
Nope, I'm out this time Monte, sorry mate.
 
Definitely looks like he is taking advantage of the Collector Scum but hey no one is forced to buy anything. It is only a rip-off if you buy it.
 
Definitely looks like he is taking advantage of the Collector Scum but hey no one is forced to buy anything. It is only a rip-off if you buy it.
How is it even a rip-off? Those books are probably gonna retail for $60 a pop. That’s a pretty standard price point for rpg books.
 
It's not the price that bothers me so much as the cost for shipping. I'd be paying as much (very likely more) than what it would be worth in the store. Plus I only want one of the books.
 
It's not the price that bothers me so much as the cost for shipping. I'd be paying as much (very likely more) than what it would be worth in the store. Plus I only want one of the books.
Definitely wait, then.

It's not like the game line is reliant on this kickstarter to happen; it's a KS-as-marketing exercise, not KS-as-product-creation.
Definitely looks like he is taking advantage of the Collector Scum but hey no one is forced to buy anything. It is only a rip-off if you buy it.
That seems unnecessarily aggressive towards how some people like to spend their money.
 
That seems unnecessarily aggressive towards how some people like to spend their money.

Y'know, I wasn't gonna say anything about it, but yeah. "Collector scum" sounds a little bit too much like some other... gaming insults I've heard at other forums. I, for one, vote we avoid being cunts to each other, even if there isn't gonna be moderator action related to it.
 
Y'know, I wasn't gonna say anything about it, but yeah. "Collector scum" sounds a little bit too much like some other... gaming insults I've heard at other forums. I, for one, vote we avoid being cunts to each other, even if there isn't gonna be moderator action related to it.
I agree. When I sold games, there was a certain kind of gamer who bought books more to read than to play, and that tended to influence their taste in games, but they were generally just real gamers who were in a place in their life where they weren't able to game much but still wanted to live vicariously in the gaming world. I can't feel a lot malice towards those kind of gamers.

I suspect Voros was being facetious, but the tone just didn't carry in text.
 
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I agree. When I sold games, there was a certain kind of gamer who bought books more to read than to play, and that tended to influence their taste in games, but they were generally just real gamers who were in a place in their life where they weren't able to game much but still wanted to live vicariously in the gaming world. I can't feel a lot malice towards those kind of gamers.

I suspect Ladybird was being facetious, but the tone just didn't carry in text.

Yup. I suspect a lot of us go through that phase. I have in the past.

For what it's worth, and not to extend drama or point fingers, but it was Voros, not Ladybird, who made the "Collector Scum" comment.
 
Yup. I suspect a lot of us go through that phase. I have in the past.

For what it's worth, and not to extend drama or point fingers, but it was Voros, not Ladybird, who made the "Collector Scum" comment.
Thanks, Tommy. I edited my comment. I forgot Jetstream was commenting on a comment about the comment, so I got the attribution wrong.
 
I agree. When I sold games, there was a certain kind of gamer who bought books more to read than to play, and that tended to influence their taste in games, but they were generally just real gamers who were in a place in their life where they weren't able to game much but still wanted to live vicariously in the gaming world. I can't feel a lot malice towards those kind of gamers.
Indeed, and... at least they were putting money into the hobby, helping keep a game store alive and open for everyone, encouraging companies to keep on producing games, etc.
 
I call them "The Acaeum Crowd" and they definitely have an effect in artificially inflating prices and KS pledge structures. Frog God Games seems to cater to them almost exclusively. Monte Cook is definitely following Frog God down that road.

I'm surprised they didn't have a "Everything from 1st Edition on pdf" pledge level. That would have made this thing blow really big. I really like the setting, but the system just makes my teeth itch too much.
 
Indeed, and... at least they were putting money into the hobby, helping keep a game store alive and open for everyone, encouraging companies to keep on producing games, etc.
The super-extra-special-collector's-once-in-a-lifetime-only stuff never sees the inside of stores, it's always pre-order or Kickstarter Only. Even if a Non-Player wanted to frequent a FLGS, they'd be stupid to as getting stuff from KS gives them exclusive things to read that will never be released outside of the KS (at least with some companies, like Frog God).
 
Y'know, I wasn't gonna say anything about it, but yeah. "Collector scum" sounds a little bit too much like some other... gaming insults I've heard at other forums. I, for one, vote we avoid being cunts to each other, even if there isn't gonna be moderator action related to it.

As Baulderstone intuited I was not serious with the use of Collector Scum. It is a term I know from record collectors and refers to those who drive up the prices of OOP material and seem more into collecting than listening to records.

I certainly don't have a problem with anyone who buys and doesn't have a group to play with. They probably keep the industry alive.

My point was that if it seems too rich for your blood don't buy it. I picked up a load of Numenra stuff on a recent Bundle of Holding.
 
My point was that if it seems too rich for your blood don't buy it. I picked up a load of Numenra stuff on a recent Bundle of Holding.
Frog God has some really good sales as well. I picked up all seven volumes of the Hex Crawl Chronicles, the Complete Tome of Horrors, The Sword of Air and bunch of other miscellaneous stuff in a bundle and some extreme sales over the summer. The collectors are probably better for the hobby than the cheapasses like me who hold out for bundles.

As far as Frog God goes, their prices are high, but the actual content is geared towards use at the table. It's not like the fluff-heavy, metaplot books of the '90s that were written more to be read than played.
 
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