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Yeah, I get that with copywriting. Some clients, especially inexperienced ones, don't seem to quite get that the client/contractor relationship is very different than the boss/employee relationship and I simply don't have to put up with the same level of crap. The client tells me their requirements. I do the project to those requirements, generally with an agreed number of rewrites. I won't work with micromangers.Yup. Art is also one of those fields where the client thinks they're paying you to be art director themselves, as opposed to just for the final product and letting you do your own thing following your own process. I had one guy say that he wanted me to draw a logo from scratch rather than work from premade icons and such as a base. Luckily that never went anywhere, cuz those are the worse clients to work with.
I'm absolutely sure they will. There's still clients that try and make people work on pay per hour. As far as I'm concerned, if the project is done properly it's none of their business if I take 20 minutes or 20 hours. But I've definitely come across potential clients who would think that I should reduce my rates because I'm faster than the bottom feeder end of the market. (And then sometimes I end up having to rewrite a piece they tried to save money on and they end up paying exactly the same price they would have if they'd come to me first, plus whatever they've paid the first person).I'm guessing people will likely complain, like you're robbing them if they know you're working from AI generate art as a template.
I find people in the creative industries tend to be either completely impossible or an absolute joy to work with. I like doing musician bios because most of the time the unofficial brief is just "I want to sound as cool as possible" so I can move away from the formulaic.People complain no matter what. My father designed ships for a living and always preferred to work for commercial folks vs non commercial. The commercial folks knew why they wanted things even if what they wanted was wrong. You could correct them and not get them feeling insulted because all they really wanted was to make money.
Non commercial were alwaysaking wierd nebulous tradeoffs that only they could ultimately decide.
I really struggle with stuff like this - it's a bit uncanny valley - it looks both 'real' and so wrong.
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Just to throw this grenade into the room, for some reason I remembered this from Steve Albini today. (He's talking about the music industry, but I think there's obvious parallels).
As is true every time an industry changes, the people who used to have it easy claim the new way is not just hard for them but fundamentally wrong. The reluctance to adapt is a kind of embarrassing nostalgia that glosses over the many sins of the old ways, and it argues for a kind of pity fuck from the market.
I haven't been on deviantart for a while but saw this a few days ago:
As is true every time an industry changes, the people who used to have it easy claim the new way is not just hard for them but fundamentally wrong. The reluctance to adapt is a kind of embarrassing nostalgia that glosses over the many sins of the old ways, and it argues for a kind of pity fuck from the market.
True. Artists do not have it easy. Neither do coal miners. Neither did the men who built and maintained steam engines or those who knew how to work the rigging of sailing vessels. Occupations will come and go as technology changes. The pace is accelerating and will not slacken in the foreseeable future. Yes, this is painful.Artists are about the furthest away from "people who have it easy" in an industry as one can possibly get.
As is true every time an industry changes, the people who used to have it easy claim the new way is not just hard for them but fundamentally wrong.
I very much doubt those RPGs will be better, at least not without actual AI (as opposed to machine learning). And we're nowhere near that and probably won't be in our lifetimes.There will come a day when there are RPG's designed entirely by AI. If those games are better than your current favorite (don't think they wont be), will you play them?
I very much doubt those RPGs will be better, at least not without actual AI (as opposed to machine learning). And we're nowhere near that and probably won't be in our lifetimes.
There will come a day when there are RPG's designed entirely by AI. If those games are better than your current favorite (don't think they wont be), will you play them?
If you think, there's already a lot of garbage coming out of the various entertainment industries. Just wait, until these AI's becomes good enough to be used to mass produce entertainment media. It will be a literal tsunami of garbage.
Thanks!(just to let everyone know, any posts of AI art will be moved to this one thread, as it is a contentious subject)
Meanwhile, on the OTHER side of the Galaxy:
Just a slight addition. Not for pedantry, but because I think it enhances your point. Many machine learning algorithms don't even decide things based on simple conditional logic, but rather purely correlations.Well AI isn't "intelligence" or "understanding" as it stands with today's tech. Its just a set of rules along the lines of "if A is true then B". Now the rules can be complex, layered, interspersed with random number generation, etc., but its all that if-then once you're at the base. None of these AIs will ever "understand", they're just a complicated "clever hans" setup
What I find interesting is that 20 years ago most people would have assumed it was the manual laborer who would be replaced first by technology. Some of that has happened, of course, but it turns out that robots may be more expensive than AI.
But it’s not all doom and gloom We have guitars assembled by factories and people still pay thousands for a Lowden.
As a liveaboard sailor, I appreciate this. I also don't necessarily hate on people with motorboats, cars, planes*My girlfriend said something reassuring about all this:
"I still row as a hobby even though there are much faster and more efficient ways of propelling boats these days."
Correlation and pattern matching, with the decisions it makes that wow the company in the lab being near disastrous if applied to the real world. I can see it now. Dermatologist takes high-res images of moles he knows are benign so the AI flags it, and the surgery gets done. Retires early.Just a slight addition. Not for pedantry, but because I think it enhances your point. Many machine learning algorithms don't even decide things based on simple conditional logic, but rather purely correlations.
I attended an interesting talk concerning a machine learning AI which supposedly managed to correctly identify melanomas with an accuracy exceeding a typical dermatologist. However it turned out when melanomas are identified clinically a high resolution image of them is taken, where as benign skin conditions* are kept at low resolution. The machine learning algorithm simply correlated high resolution/pixel count with the token "melanoma". To some degree it wasn't even looking at the details of the images.
Just a good example I thought as back in 2018 there a sequence of news reports about AIs outperforming dermatologists, but later studies were much more skeptical (e.g. here). And in many cases the AI's company won't release the AI for replication testing of their claims.
*Any dermatologists/oncologists here feel free to correct with accurate terminology.
There's been so much toxicity and negativity about it that many companies are vocally distancing themselves from it.Even as an artist - I gotta say, I'm really loving using AI art. Give it a few more years and it's going to be truly magnificent.
I'm pretty open to it... I like the fact that it can give creators a voice if you will for their own creations that they would not have been able to have before.There's been so much toxicity and negativity about it that many companies are vocally distancing themselves from it.
I see lots of claims of harm....but I don't see where the harm actually is? (I remember the first time I was told that one of my books was on that trove site. I was - holy crap, they scanned it and uploaded it? Wow.)