The Right Hand of Doom
- Apr 24, 2017
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SEALAB 2021: The reason marijuana was invented.I'm not going to try and convince you to alter your perspective in any way, but just as a counterpoint, I remember seeing the original Sea Lab cartoons as a kid...and absolutely loathing them. They were so mind-numbingly boring to me. And at that age, I was still entertained by Polka Dot Door. OTOH, I dearly love Adult Swim's Sea Lab 2021, easily one of my favourite TV shows of all time.(and featuring The Pub's own Erik Estrada in his finest role!).
Yes, the amount of material that appears in merchandise, tv, movies etc, that did not appear in some form at one time in a comic is minuscule. Until you start seeing a large percentage of IP appearing first in any format other than a comic, they will remain the IP generstors.
The "at one time" was my point; it seems to me like it's been at least a generation.
can the comics really to be said to be the IP generators anymore though?
The "at one time" was my point; it seems to me like it's been at least a generation.
Civil War (2006), Extremis (2005), and Miles Morales (2011) all popped to my mind as recent stuff that got pulled from the comics into other mediums.
Vis-à-vis Disney, their current debt is a negligible factor when you take into account they spent over $70 billion acquiring 21st Century Fox and the debt is already down to less than $50 billion. That's a long-term investment.
Well, there's always been an influence in other media on the comics, and it goes back a long time. Superman, for instance, never actually flew until the Fleisher cartoons, and Kryptonite was created for a radio serial and not in the main comics--plus when the movie came out there was some attempts to upgrade the look of Lois and Clark to match the movies. And the 1980s saw Firestar, a character created for a Spider-Man cartoon, become a full-fledged mutant superhero, eventually joining The New Warriors.
The lines are starting to blur more and more with the success of movies and TV. Phil Coulson never existed in the SHIELD agent rosters, but the movie ended up putting him in the cartoons and the comics, Nick Fury "Jr" was introduced in the main Marvel universe to match the look of the movies. And Guardians of the Galaxy ended up actually changing a few characters in the comics--Star-Lord had a different comic origin but they've erased that and given him a seperate origin. (Not the same as the movie, but similar--the original was never a midwestern kid who played pop songs). DC added the Wonder-Twins into mainstream continuity and I've heard it's actually pretty entertaining.
The other thing I think to remember is that how do we measure the "pop-culture" influence of the comics. One thing that makes it hard is that the most Iconic characters like Superman, Batman, etc, had a lot of cartoons and adaptations before the modern era of comics. Was Spider-man's rise to become Marvel's big start solely from the success of Lee, Ditko, and Romita's comic, or did the 1967 animated series help? Iron Man, for instance, was never a big icon as big as Spidey--but I think that changed with the 2008 movie. It's hard to measure it--and its even harder if you are measuring it based on your past fandom (being into comics as a kid and now being 40-50), and don't see what the kids are into if you've aged out of that era.
I also think comic characters were easier to be Iconic when there were fewer modes of Entertainment.
It's possible Marvel characters were able to enter pop culture at a time when comics were still influential on the kids. Even in the 1970s--we only had 3 networks plus a smattering of UHF channels instead of even the 70 channels of cable, primitive video-games were just starting in arcades, etc. Outside of Saturday morning cartoons (and re-runs/first runs on UHF stations), comics were the only kind of genre that was appealing to the kids. Maybe the reason a comic character didn't break out is that other icons had taken over--Mario and Sonic entered the pop culture consciousness in the late 80s. Now? Good luck making anything that stands out in a medium that few people read outside of the long-time fans of the genre.
I think many of the characters will still come from comics first--but that's because Marvel and DC have a huge library of characters. However, the influence of the movies will be paramount and will be the thing that makes them iconic. We might start seeing new characters in either the movies or TV shows, especially since the comics have such a small audience now and (depending on the future) one of the publishers stops the current legacy method of monthly books in a "floppy" format.
I think the idea of sustained continuity and coherency in superhero comics that have existed for decades upon decades is a bit hopeless. Even Claremont created convoluted and tangled plotlines over his decades of heading the X-Men. The creative challenge of writing for an extended period at an often insane pace is going to lead to exhaustion, incoherency and drops in quality, as any long-running commercial manga shows.
AT&T is planning tens of billions of dollars worth of cost cuts, AT&T President and COO John Stankey told investors yesterday.
For the company-wide cuts, AT&T management "has looked at effectively 10 broad initiatives that we believe can generate double digits of billions over a 3-year planning cycle," Stankey said at a Morgan Stanley conference, according to a ]transcript posted by AT&T.
One of the first of those 10 initiatives will include job cuts, which Stankey called "headcount rationalization." Stankey noted that AT&T has already been cutting jobs but said the company plans "additional work" in that area
[...] Longer-term cost cutting would start paying off after about two years, Stankey said. That will include "IT rationalization and architecture rationalization, turning down applications, movement to the cloud, getting cost efficiencies in our very, very broad infrastructure, some of that facilitated by portfolio rationalization." AT&T is also looking at ways to reduce electricity costs and a "billing and credit collections rationalization," Stankey said.
I wasn't really referring to stories/plots as "IP", but sure.
If we're talking strictly characters, then: Negasonic Teenage Warhead, Spider-Gwen, Cassandra Cain, and X-23 are the first to come to mind. Savitar and Max Mercury I guess are getting a little long in the tooth now. The various animated series, particularly DC's, have pulled more recent characters, too.
This the percolation you generally see with characters, though: Originate in comics. Usually seep into TV series (or, before TV, movie serials). Couple decades later have enough traction that somebody green lights a film.
Vis-à-vis Disney, their current debt is a negligible factor when you take into account they spent over $70 billion acquiring 21st Century Fox and the debt is already down to less than $50 billion.
I'm amazed. The fact that a REHASH of an OLDER STORY is considered somehow better than anything recent, like Batman: White Knight, or other books, boggles my mind. Are they saying that nothing modern will ever beat an old story? That's...I am....incredulous...
I'm amazed. The fact that a REHASH of an OLDER STORY is considered somehow better than anything recent, like Batman: White Knight, or other books, boggles my mind. Are they saying that nothing modern will ever beat an old story? That's...
The idea that this is considered good honestly saddens me. I LOVE comics. Yes, I know I've harped on this point ad nasuem (Or is that nausea) but it's true. And this is what it's been devolved to. Marvel is a script farm for Hollywood (most of the people there have rich elite backgrounds, like Daniel Kibblesmith of New Warriors, he's a millionaire and a former script writer for the Stephen Colbert show.) and DC... Dan Didio did a lot of damage by allowing Bendis to kill Super Sons as a comic, this was a fan favourite, as well as letting Tom King write Batman for so long...I'm reading the first issue right now. The art is....fine? competant but lazy?
The dialogue is stilted and unnatural. The plot is....well, I'm waiting for it to kick in, actually.
I'm not impressed so far. I haven't read any DC since the new 52 except the Damien Wayne stuff and All-Star Superman, and that was nearly 8(?) years ago, but I have to wonder how bad current DC could be that this is being held on a pedastel. But as I said, just about to finish first issue, I'll give my thoughts when I finish all three. Something pretty damn amazing needs to happen though, for this to belong in the same sentence as DC's "best ever"...I mean, we're talking Alan Moore's Watchmen, his run on Swamp Thing, The Killing Joke and Whatever Happened to the Man of Tommorow?, Neil Gaiman's The Sandman, Jame's Morrison's Starman, Morrison's Doom Patrol, The Invisibles, and Arkham Asylum, Loeb and Sale's The Long Halloween, Darwyn Cooke's Final Frontier, Mike Mignola's Gotham By Gaslight, etc. So far this isn't even in the same ballpark.
Tom King, and it devolved into his usual maudlin story telling.There was a very good Mister Miracle mini-series a year or two ago, Matt Fraction, I think. Anyhow, it depends a bit on how well you like stories about depression and suicide. " 'Darkseid is', what does that mean anyhow? People just say it but what does it mean?" Also, the most lethal use of a veggi tray in comics history.
OK, so...I understand now why "Superman Smashes The Clan" is held in such high regard.
It could also have to do with the fact the Gene Yang is famous for a comic writer, especially in the larger world of literature outside of the ghetto of supers comics. He's mostly known for American Born Chinese, the first graphic novel to be nominated for a national book award and to win a Printz award. His Boxer/Saint books on the Boxer Rebellion was similarly received. He was the recipient of a Genius Grant. He's also done Avatar, a run on Superman, and the Chinese version of Superman. I've read American Born Chinese and Boxers & Saints. He's good but I wouldn't put him in the league of Marjane Satrapi or Alison Bechdel who have also done soul searching autobiographical comics.
I’m usually leery of anyone who says anything is the greatest of all-time right when it’s released. That usually never happens in any form of media or even in things like sports, when athletes are put up on pedestals. It takes years and years of contemplation on the subject matter and what kind of impact it or they had in their respective fields and even outside of it.
So it's not about the story, or the characters, but about the writer.It could also have to do with the fact the Gene Yang is famous for a comic writer, especially in the larger world of literature outside of the ghetto of supers comics. He's mostly known for American Born Chinese, the first graphic novel to be nominated for a national book award and to win a Printz award. His Boxer/Saint books on the Boxer Rebellion was similarly received. He was the recipient of a Genius Grant. He's also done Avatar, a run on Superman, and the Chinese version of Superman. I've read American Born Chinese and Boxers & Saints. He's good but I wouldn't put him in the league of Marjane Satrapi or Alison Bechdel who have also done soul searching autobiographical comics.
I haven't read this book but when someone famous does a work with a clear statement that most people agree with, they automatically get praise regardless of the work's quality. People want to show that they are onboard with the idea; after all, you're against the KKK, right? I wouldn't be shocked if a story based on a 1940s radio show for kids was ham fisted. I doubt that I'll read it for the same reason that I skip most feel good biopics - yes bad things happened to them, they overcame, and people should be like them. I can get all that in a minute without sitting through a tedious, obvious story based on it.
I remember when they did, and all it meant was it was going to be a good book. I miss the 80's.Comics are about the cult of personlity now (well, I say "comics", I just mean DC/Marvel)
Remember when comics didn''t even have writer/artist credits? We've come a long way baby!
I miss the 80's.