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You can find a lot more than 6 pages already if you are willing to check out other forums.
yeah, that ENWorld thread was....something else
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You can find a lot more than 6 pages already if you are willing to check out other forums.
You can find a lot more than 6 pages already if you are willing to check out other forums.
all of the other rpg sites are heresy. there is only pub
it’s sort of sad, because 5e would be a pretty good system for DL I think.
everybody sees this as confirmation of no 5th edition Dragonlance, but it occurs the opposite might be true - WoTC might be planning to release their Dragonlance game and the reason the didn't want the novels published is they want to avoid any "controversy" or backlash from certain groups affecting the sales of that release
If Wotc was worried about the new novels not being inclusive or diverse enough why not just do some new novels with another other willing to write them. Note I am not putting the blame on either author. As lets face it given how political correct everything is now a series written in the 1980s was going to have some elements that would now be considered problematic by some in the hobby.
The problem is then how much does one remove before it is no longer Dragonlance in name only. Tanis is going to be an issue because he is born of two parents and half elven and human. I actually found it gave more meaning to the character trapped between two worlds and accepted by neither. Yet his character was written poorly when it came to love interests. Then one has three races that are now considered problematic Kender, Gully Dwarves and Tinker Gnonmes. I can understand the Gully Dwarves even they bothered me as a concept when reading the novels initially. While Kender are annoying what the hell is problematic about Tinker Gnomes they like building stuff.
So if we can believe W & H how many times can an author rewrite something before enough is enough. Somewhere somehow someone will find something problematic no matter. I rather receive a good well written story then one that is poorly written yet has every checkbox on a specific narrow list ticked off.
Reading is no substitute for real-world experience. I've used the justice system rules in Villains & Vigilantes.Jesus cynics. I think I know the American legal system well enough to comment, I've literally read most of GURPS: Cops.
Once again, we aren't really interested in discussing what books are and aren't problematic here.I hope both authors win their lawsuit.
If you think DragonLance hasn't aged well, try Conan, Fafhrd, or Elric. Don't even pick up a Horseclans or Gor novel if you think DL has issues. Very few of the fantasy series have evolved well from their beginnings although I think Shannara by Terry Brooks has done exceedingly well in transitioning. Not my words from another poster on another forum. I agree with poster. Just only read novels from 2015 and later. While we have room for improvement then don't expect to read any of the older classics. Or watch any older movies or TV shows for that matter.
Something tells me that the political correctness angle is really just a cover story and the truth behind the public facade is that either WoTC didn't want to pay W&H any longer or Nic Kelman wanted to kill the project so he could "clear the runway" for a friend's pet project. Usually once you peel back they layers of political excuses, you find either money or petty corporate politics.
Honestly though I am not sure how Wotc can come out looking good whatever the final judgement is on the lawsuit.
These aren't really issues the Pub is the place to discuss.
Maybe they don’t care?
The sad thing is that Weis and Hickman's names aren't enough to allow them to create their own new setting and draw the Dragon Lance fans to it. It says something about the power of brand names and brand loyalty. If I were them I'd probably write the most contentious thing I could with the serial numbers filed off. Tanis half elven is now Tannur Fey Blood and Fizban is now Gandalgarath the generic. And I'd get the rumour mill going that it's the novel WotC didn't dare to publish.
The sad thing is that Weis and Hickman's names aren't enough to allow them to create their own new setting and draw the Dragon Lance fans to it. It says something about the power of brand names and brand loyalty. If I were them I'd probably write the most contentious thing I could with the serial numbers filed off. Tanis half elven is now Tannur Fey Blood and Fizban is now Gandalgarath the generic. And I'd get the rumour mill going that it's the novel WotC didn't dare to publish.
I kind of liked Darksword. But I had mixed feelings about the last book in the trilogy. In retrospect, it made sense, but it fundamentally altered things. And Darksword is even more tied to its original trilogy's characters and storyline than Dragonlance is. I never checked out the fourth book follow up that was done years and years later.
I read Rose of the Prophet. I remember almost nothing about it. I didn't really enjoy it. I read it and pretty much haven't thought of it much since.
I never got into the Deathgate Cycle. My partner read a few books of it. I asked him to describe it once. He described it as a Weis and Hickman book where characters exist and things happen. He wasn't impressed, and just read it to be reading something.
They have done this before. They had several novel series where people followed them.
* The Darksword Trilogy
* The Deathgate Cycle
* The Rose of the Prophet
(Deathgate even had "Zifnab".)
I completely forgot about the Rose of the Prophet. I remember liking it but can't recall any of the details except for vague impressions (read it when it came out)
Throughout there was Mina, who came across as a Super Sue. I think the later novels reveal she was a god with amnesia or some shit. But in Souls she's just inexplicably bad ass in the setting and it comes across stupid.
yeah, that ENWorld thread was....something else
Sure, but the point is that Deathgate in particular is an attempt to create a Dragon Lance like setting that they own and aren't getting jerked around on. And while I'm sure it did okay, it didn't do as well as Dragonlance.
You mess with the Weis you get the lance.
You can find a lot more than 6 pages already if you are willing to check out other forums.
The Pub is the only sane forum left in the universe.
Speak for yourself!The Pub is the only sane forum left in the universe.
And that person is well allowed to not read it.My thoughts exactly. If you write a piece of media for mass consumption, odds are that someone somewhere at some time will find it upsetting for reasons that might not have anything to do with the actual content of the work.
You assume that they thought about consequences?I just wonder how the hell they thought they were going to get away with it without some legal repercussions.
This reminds me I have to update my World of Gor thread. Is that why you posted it?I hope both authors win their lawsuit.
If you think DragonLance hasn't aged well, try Conan, Fafhrd, or Elric. Don't even pick up a Horseclans or Gor novel if you think DL has issues. Very few of the fantasy series have evolved well from their beginnings although I think Shannara by Terry Brooks has done exceedingly well in transitioning. Not my words from another poster on another forum. I agree with poster. Just only read novels from 2015 and later. While we have room for improvement then don't expect to read any of the older classics. Or watch any older movies or TV shows for that matter.
I'd write them a custom system, if they needed it. And I'm not even much of a Dragonlance fan, I just hate it when corporations do that kind of stuff!I think if they put out a setting people would definitely be drawn to it (I mean they didn't just do Dragonlance, they had stuff like Darksword (which had its own RPG)---I knew a lot of people who never read Dragonlance who loved Darksword. And I am sure plenty of folks out there would be happy to have Weis and Hickman use their system for something. I think the issue is Dragonlance has a big following and they already put a lot of work into the project so there is just unpaid effort on their part if what they say in the court doc is true.
Why would WotC be 'Drag'on' their heels on this one?
I just got done browsing the ENworld thread.
FUCKING CHRIST that place it turning into RPG.net 2.0.
Logged out, and now I'm never going back.