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Not sure if serious.Is it a cinematic tour de force like The Phantom Menace?
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Not sure if serious.Is it a cinematic tour de force like The Phantom Menace?
That was a cinematic tour de fart.Is it a cinematic tour de force like The Phantom Menace?
Is it a cinematic tour de force like The Phantom Menace?
Is it a cinematic tour de force like The Phantom Menace?
Oddly enough, when you put in more pod racing into TPM, the film gets better, because the race has more to it and is more of a story in itself.I hear the Gom Jabbar in this version takes up as much time as the podrace did in PM.
I liked the Sci Fi miniseries, personally.That's the Sci Fi channel mini-series
(no joke, they seemed to be trying very hard to make it look like Phantom Menace)
It should be in my local Odeon today according to the interwebs. I will try to watch it in the next week or two.No, it’s not out in the US for a while. Guess they’re doing the whole “let the international market build the hype for it” thing.
Is it because of that, or because in the US it will be on streaming the day of release?No, it’s not out in the US for a while. Guess they’re doing the whole “let the international market build the hype for it” thing.
I don't think you have to be worried about that.I'm curious how it will do. Dune has a following to be sure but I suspect it's an order of magnitude more obscure than Lord of the Rings. I also suspect few people went past Dune Messiah. I saw something about critics decrying the movie as "just The White Savior Myth" which is funny considering Dune Messiah was intended to be part of the same book. You can't discuss the failure of the white savior myth and indeed all messianic figures without setting one up first.
I guess that's my fear for the movie, lots of cool visuals, lots of action, none of the depth or meaning.
Curiously, though, the narrative arc of Paul Atriedes is not totally dissimilar to that of Annakin Skywalker.
Paul: loses family, goes native in inhospitable desert planetI think I like Anakin’s story better.
I think I like Anakin’s story better.
In my view, the son makes the father.Paul: loses family, goes native in inhospitable desert planet
Anakin: freed from slavery, goes “I hate sand. It gets everywhere.”
Anakin’s son: enthusiastic farm boy joins dying order of psionic space knights, overthrows tyrant with a little help from daddy, ends up as disillusioned hermit subsisting on blue milkIn my view, the son makes the father.
Only if we let the Sequels in as canon, heh heh!...ends up as disillusioned hermit subsisting on blue milk
Now I'm hearing Father & Son as the opening intro scene soundtrack for Children of Dune...Luke and Anakin are not as interesting individually as they are intertwined. The father makes the son and the son makes the father. I have a soft spot for fractured father-son relationships that are mended in films. Probably why Field of Dreams is one of my favorite movies ever. This thought dawned on me while I was figuring out if there was anything in common amongst my favorites.
So I’m never going to read the books. What happens to Paul in the end?
I like the minisieries too. I rewatched them recently and they hold up well, especially Children of Dune. The budget limitiations are visible, especially with the somne of exteriors, but do a really good job condensing a rather complicated story which is really the hallmark of a good adaptation.I liked the Sci Fi miniseries, personally.
Wow, that nailed it - great summary!Paul's prescience granted from the spice allows him to see multiple futures. Unfortunately, his youth and unfamiliarity with this power during the original Dune means he mis-steps along the way leading the worst possible future - he inadvertently unleashes a horde of religious fanatics that worship him (but he cannot control) upon the galaxy who go from planet to planet in a holy war of slaughter and genocide. Meanwhile, closer to him, The Bene Gesserit, Spacing Guild, and Tleilaxu factions conspire to dethrone Paul, with the Guild Navigator's using the Spice to shield the plot from Paul's prescient visions. Their plot eventually succeeds in blinding Paul, so that he can only function through his prescience.
Paul's love and consort dies in childbirth, an event Paul also foresaw but was unable to prevent, giving birth to twins, born psychically "awakened" because of their father. Paul is faced with a choice as all possible futures he sees leads to humanity's eventual extinction, except one, what he calls The Golden Path. However, he realizes that in order to enact this future he would need to make a choice that would condemn him to an immortal hell, a fate he ultimately is too afraid of to commit to, so instead, in order to win the fealty of the the Fremen for his children, he choses to fulfil a Fremen legend of a blind man who wanders into the desert and dies. His sister orders the deaths of the conspirators against Paul's wishes and acts as regent for the twins.
This is the end of Dune Messiah (originally one book with Dune), but it takes two more books to finish Paul's story. Paul's son, Leto, not only possesses his father's prescience, but also access to ancestral memories, meaning everyone in his genetic line, including his father "lives" as a consciousness within him. Leto makes the sacrifice that his father could not make to ensure The Golden Path by giving up his humanity and combining his body with that of the larval forms of the Sandworm, becoming the God Emperor.
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The God Emperor institutes a 3500-year reign of complete tyranny, taking from people the freedom of space travel and condemning them to living lives essentially like medieval peasantry, while he indulges in eugenic experiments and restricts resources to impose a false scarcity. He geoforms Dune, the Planet Arrakis, into a tropical climate so almost no dessert remains and the only Spice produced remains in his secret underground stores. It is only by showing, once and for all, in the worst possible ways, the horrors of a messiah-figure and absolute ruler, and instilling in humanity a complete and eternal hatred of him and a desire to escape his Empire above all else that he is able to fulfill The Golden Path.
Secretly engineering a resistance and fostering the creation of his assassin, he is finally killed, and the Sandworm larvae composing his body are dispersed, set to work eventually returning Dune to a desert planet and growing into worms that will once again create the Spice needed for space travel. Unfortunately, Leto's fate is to remain conscious within each of the worms, forever aware and "immortal" as a thinking mind in every worm born from them, but unable to communicate or control them. He is simply "there" in this perpetual, eternal hell. This was the sacrifice Leto accepted that Paul could not.
Mankind, from there, enters a period of diaspora, once again able to travel the stars, they spread out across the universe, so that no Empire can ever contain all of humanity again.
Of course, this is only the briefest summaries of the overall plot, a large part of what makes Dune fascinating is the intricate plots of various characters and their own viewpoints on what is happening, a well as, particularly in the final book, the philosophical conversations about mankind's history and the nature of humanity, religion, and politics.
Thanks. This seems a little more interesting although I could do without the sandworm melding.Paul's prescience granted from the spice allows him to see multiple futures. Unfortunately, his youth and unfamiliarity with this power during the original Dune means he mis-steps along the way leading the worst possible future - he inadvertently unleashes a horde of religious fanatics that worship him (but he cannot control) upon the galaxy who go from planet to planet in a holy war of slaughter and genocide. Meanwhile, closer to him, The Bene Gesserit, Spacing Guild, and Tleilaxu factions conspire to dethrone Paul, with the Guild Navigator's using the Spice to shield the plot from Paul's prescient visions. Their plot eventually succeeds in blinding Paul, so that he can only function through his prescience.
Paul's love and consort dies in childbirth, an event Paul also foresaw but was unable to prevent, giving birth to twins, born psychically "awakened" because of their father. Paul is faced with a choice as all possible futures he sees leads to humanity's eventual extinction, except one, what he calls The Golden Path. However, he realizes that in order to enact this future he would need to make a choice that would condemn him to an immortal hell, a fate he ultimately is too afraid of to commit to, so instead, in order to win the fealty of the the Fremen for his children, he choses to fulfil a Fremen legend of a blind man who wanders into the desert and dies. His sister orders the deaths of the conspirators against Paul's wishes and acts as regent for the twins.
This is the end of Dune Messiah (originally one book with Dune), but it takes two more books to finish Paul's story. Paul's son, Leto, not only possesses his father's prescience, but also access to ancestral memories, meaning everyone in his genetic line, including his father "lives" as a consciousness within him. Leto makes the sacrifice that his father could not make to ensure The Golden Path by giving up his humanity and combining his body with that of the larval forms of the Sandworm, becoming the God Emperor.
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The God Emperor institutes a 3500-year reign of complete tyranny, taking from people the freedom of space travel and condemning them to living lives essentially like medieval peasantry, while he indulges in eugenic experiments and restricts resources to impose a false scarcity. He geoforms Dune, the Planet Arrakis, into a tropical climate so almost no dessert remains and the only Spice produced remains in his secret underground stores. It is only by showing, once and for all, in the worst possible ways, the horrors of a messiah-figure and absolute ruler, and instilling in humanity a complete and eternal hatred of him and a desire to escape his Empire above all else that he is able to fulfill The Golden Path.
Secretly engineering a resistance and fostering the creation of his assassin, he is finally killed, and the Sandworm larvae composing his body are dispersed, set to work eventually returning Dune to a desert planet and growing into worms that will once again create the Spice needed for space travel. Unfortunately, Leto's fate is to remain conscious within each of the worms, forever aware and "immortal" as a thinking mind in every worm born from them, but unable to communicate or control them. He is simply "there" in this perpetual, eternal hell. This was the sacrifice Leto accepted that Paul could not.
Mankind, from there, enters a period of diaspora; once again able to travel the stars, they spread out across the universe, so that no Empire can ever contain all of humanity again.
Of course, this is only the briefest summaries of the overall plot, a large part of what makes Dune fascinating is the intricate plots of various characters and their own viewpoints on what is happening, a well as, particularly in the final book, the philosophical conversations about mankind's history and the nature of humanity, religion, and politics.
Dune is just like AGoT: the only good book is the first one. The rest is unreadable crap banking on the initial success.
There, I said it.
The first book is a heroic adventure story and the rest of the series is Frank Herbert ranting about religion and politics. To my mind the latter is more entertaining.Dune is just like AGoT: the only good book is the first one. The rest is unreadable crap banking on the initial success.
There, I said it.
Thanks. This seems a little more interesting although I could do without the sandworm melding.
Ah yes, the lesser known "Dog Emperor of Dune".Okay back on track now with the serious God Emperor of Dune talk.
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