Still makes no sense to me, and I've been in games where everyone was sexually compatible with everyone else. IMO, people should be able to resolve such issues.Makes sense to me. I've been in many groups where people where people were sexually compatible. That can often lead to complicated social dynamics with some people in the group in relationships together, others in relationships outside the group, and others with unrequited attractions to other people in the group. That's without getting into people using games for their own weird fantasies.
Bringing sex into the game can set off all kinds of uncomfortable situations that can have ripple effects into real world relationships. It makes sense to me for some players just declare their characters off-limits.
1) So the feelings of the minority for whom that's not in the realm of fantasy don't matter?Killing people is purely in the realm of fantasy for the majority of the people that I have played with, so it isn't as big a hot button topic.
2) I didn't just say "killing people". I said "grinding their souls down for fun and profit". That, at least, shouldn't be in the realm of fantasy for many people with civilian professions (including, but not restricted to, many managers I can think of).
True. You can always discuss stuff with me.There have been some social exchanges in our games that I guess many groups would have found uncomfortable but we took them as dramatic and interesting. Mileage will vary though so work to keep the player on the same page when starting a game so no one gets anything they didn't say up and keep the floor open for discussion if someone discovers that something make them really uncomfortable. Games are supposed to be fun
Granted, I've almost never had to change the NPC's plans, so far. The only time I had to, the game stopped being fun to run soon afterwards. I kinda suspect the two might have been related...
So yeah, we're all ideally playing with people with similar levels of tolerance for emotional abuse.
Same here. In fact, I've always found it much easier to deal with players who try to spring the sexual surprises on us...so why don't I get the protection from what disturbs me?I've read the stories and people can be jerks that's for damn sure. but I always wonder why just sex then? I've seen horror stories about allot of things. If the GM starts to describe happening that truly disturbs and upset you speak up and tell them. Maybe you find a compromise, retcon the event or decide if this game isn't for you.
Oh wait, because all of this, combined, would gut the social system to the point where we could as well skip it...
But yes, I've had some experiences with "sex surprises". The last of these cases was in 2e, though. I guess I've got a reputation or something?
Anyway, the last time I simply stunted my defence to make his Social Attack fail (coupled with a Third Excellency I only needed a couple more points), and the rest just spent the requisite Willpower.
Then we, as a group, told him the next time he uses a single social charm on us is going to be on the last minute of his PC's life. Daiklaives were shown upclose, too, I think. But he got the message!
And this wasn't even my group. I knew other players from other games, but most were strangers.
Might it be a problem for some groups? Maybe. But I don't play with "some groups", and even my experience with strangers points to the idea that the issue has been overblown for, how shall I put it more mildly, ideological reasons.
Let's leave it at that.
...Oh please, seriously? Are you going to imply I'd do that?Well, do you do that to a player that expects it to be like a Lord of the Rings setting, because Exalted is some sort of fantasy, or do they they know that can happen when they join the game?
I think you've mentioned being into BDSM. Do you bring unsuspected friends with no experience in it* to a BDSM bar without warning, other than "it's a bar that you'd really like"? Because that's basically the same kind of behaviour you're implying about me.
So, to make it crystal clear: we always do The Talk. And I warn explicitly that no feelings shall be spared.
Also, I did similar stuff to my wife's first Exalted character. Yet she was only sorry when the campaign had to end.
And if anyone expects more leeway and protection from the emotional meatgrinder than I'd grant to her characters...think again!
*Assuming you suspect, based on knowing them, that they'd fit right in.
I would be. But it seems I'm part of Team Pervert.I mean, in my opinion it's about expectations of what the setting contains. After all, if the setting is Westeros, the expectations before talking about it will be a tad different from Gondor. I'm guessing most would be equally upset over a chaste version of R.R. Martin's setting.
Maybe you should join me and Nexus? Come join us, we've got cookies...and handcuffs!Same thing with where one recruit players. They already know what kind of games one runs, expectations is already set. Not know each other, but have recruited at the local BDSM club and have used "you may become someones unwilling sexual plaything" as a selling argument, well..
I'm guessing the reason they wrote that rule is because some people sprang it as a surprise on their group, and it is the horror stories that are the ones being spread around. A section, or rather a chapter on how it can be handled would definitely be better. However, it also requires someone being competent enough to write those, as just winging it would be a waste of space.
The intimacy system of 3ed also gives the player quite a bit more options to disengage; and being able to stack some "repulse on the thought about..." and so on, if something is to queasy.
Which one of the many bullshit politically correct and mentally deranged rules was that?
It strikes me as weird as well. Guess we must establish The Pub's Perverts Team?I can get that its just an aspect of human nature that strikes me as weird. I haven't killed anyone but I've friend, family members and others I know, some killed by others, death is a very real thing but folks can distance themselves from it enough to imagine doing it or their to some degree extensions doing but sex is a pretty universal experience too but imaging their extension doing it puts off allot of people even if its implied for some.
But as I've said in other places, I am a pervert.