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The Witch just lights all their swords a few minutes before the forward infantry are all slaughtered? That's why she was kept alive?
I started this thread and hell yes....did anybody else get to the end of the last episode thinking 'for the love of dragons, will the show please just end already……'?
Jon's failure to effectively deal with his sister or his aunt puts the lie to everyone's claim that he'd be a terrific king - sorry, Varys, you were wrong and you really overplayed your hand.
I know people are being very critical of pretty much everything regarding this series but I was happy with how everything was resolved here. Jaimie's story didn't resolve how I thought it would but it worked for me. Also loved seeing Cercei's army get wiped out and the Hound's arc was well done.
I know people are being very critical of pretty much everything regarding this series but I was happy with how everything was resolved here. Jaimie's story didn't resolve how I thought it would but it worked for me. Also loved seeing Cercei's army get wiped out and the Hound's arc was well done.
I thought the last scenes with the ash covered face of Arya were reminscent of the Russian masterpiece on WWII Come and See. The horse imagery also reminded me of similar war imagery in Tarkovsky's Andrei Rublev. I womder if they were references or coincidences.
I think the real question is who won't she kill. Clearly she's gone mad. Though not mad enough to realise having sex with your nephew is grotesqueWill Danerys kill Tyrion for freeing Jaimie or will he flee? Will Arya kill Danerys? What about Sansa?
I personally think the most thematically appropriate although least fan friendly ending is that Danerys takes the Iron Throne and everyone bends the knee but they don't get the kind of ruler they all were hoping for.
Dany for the chopThere does seem to be a lot of "I hate it so much I can barely force myself to keep watching week after week."
I agree that there were some really nice shots in this episode. I really liked it when Sandor first squared of with Gregor on the steps and the dragon flew past in the background. And the whole Arya escape sequence was very striking.
Surely Arya is going to be the one to take out Dany. I can't see any other way of getting rid of her other than via assassination. She's pretty much untouchable on the battlefield. I'm veering back toward Gendry on the throne at this point. I just don't think that Jon is going to make it.
I watch it because we're that close to the end and it's a fantasy show on TV...
I think there are strong parallels to Melisandre, here. She predicted ‘prince‘ after ‘prince’ and got every single one wrong until she ended up with Arya and got it right. A pure numbers game! Varys is similar, backing pretender after pretender until (who knows... we’ll see next week).I also think Varys is quite perceptive of the current monarch's failings, but keeps projecting his own hopes on the next candidate.
My narrative sense says the character who offs the Night King can’t also off the Dragon Queen (or any other major character) though perhaps the prophesy from Melisandre will come into force (oh no, not the world’s worst prophet again!).Surely Arya is going to be the one to take out Dany. I can't see any other way of getting rid of her other than via assassination.
I think there are strong parallels to Melisandre, here. She predicted ‘prince‘ after ‘prince’ and got every single one wrong until she ended up with Arya and got it right. A pure numbers game! Varys is similar, backing pretender after pretender until (who knows... we’ll see next week).
My narrative sense says the character who offs the Night King can’t also off the Dragon Queen (or any other major character) though perhaps the prophesy from Melisandre will come into force (oh no, not the world’s worst prophet again!).
I think something to keep in mind is that the story is being wrapped up so naturally things are coming together in ways that they never did in the earlier series. It was always going to happen that way from a story arc perspective.
I think there are strong parallels to Melisandre, here. She predicted ‘prince‘ after ‘prince’ and got every single one wrong until she ended up with Arya and got it right. A pure numbers game! Varys is similar, backing pretender after pretender until (who knows... we’ll see next week).
My narrative sense says the character who offs the Night King can’t also off the Dragon Queen (or any other major character) though perhaps the prophesy from Melisandre will come into force (oh no, not the world’s worst prophet again!).
I think something to keep in mind is that the story is being wrapped up so naturally things are coming together in ways that they never did in the earlier series. It was always going to happen that way from a story arc perspective.
Arya dead taking out Danaerys. Jon Snow dead taking out Drogon. Tirion and Sansa left to rule the ashes of the Seven Kingdoms from Winterfell. It's not like the Iron Throne is there anymore. The Red Keep is a pile of rubble, Kings Landing a ruin. Where else can you rule from?I agree, Arya can't kill the Night King and Dany, doesn't feel right. I really think Dany shouldn't die and should become the new tyrant. To me it feels right and it will piss off more people than the last scene of The Sopranos.
It seems these days that people ask for strong women characters with complex motivations who can be as much a mess of contradictions equal to Tony Soprano and Walter White and then flinch when given them (I heard similar complaints about Amy Adams in Sharp Objects).
Also: damned if you do go for the Hollywood ending and damned if you don't.
Oh God, yes. The sheer speed by which the refrain turned from, "boo, they're going to make it end happily! That's a betrayal of all the show stands for!" to "boo, they're going to make it end unhappily! What's the point of watching now?" is just astonishing.
That was an awesome TV series...(I heard similar complaints about Amy Adams in Sharp Objects)
This is what I would like to see. Also if she went further and instigated genuine social reform or showed evidence of clearly changing the social system. So she would be a tyrant who burned a city to then do exactly what she promised. I wouldn't like some sort of romantic tragic ending where Jon Snow kills the women he loves because she turned cruel, etc.I agree, Arya can't kill the Night King and Dany, doesn't feel right. I really think Dany shouldn't die and should become the new tyrant. To me it feels right and it will piss off more people than the last scene of The Sopranos.
If they're going to end it with a shitty "good guys wins, evil guys lose, and we also get to pick who's good and who's bad in a oh-so-convenient way in the second to last episode" I'm going to personally start a "Drakarys" online campaign to forever torch the screenwriters' names off the Hollywood roster...
The way it should end is that the main characters stop all playing different versions of the idiot's ball and start actually using their fucking brains; i.e.
Arya goes for Daenerys while Jon broods on the side, Tyrion stops her, slaps all three of them and says "ok now you can stop acting like children, there's a fucking kingdom to run. So Jon, stop freaking out and start fucking your aunt whom you love anyway; Daenerys, get off your high horse and marry the one who will strenghten your claim, forever secure the North, and will let you actually run the kingdom since he doesn't have the balls to do it; and Arya, you're now Daenerys' personal bodyguard and you'll defend her with your life if you actually want this fucking continent to finally be ruled adequately". And they for once engage their brains and listen to him.
Here's hoping they have the balls to have the main characters act realistically at least in the last episode.
The way it should end is that the main characters stop all playing different versions of the idiot's ball and start actually using their fucking brains; i.e.
Arya goes for Daenerys while Jon broods on the side, Tyrion stops her, slaps all three of them and says "ok now you can stop acting like children, there's a fucking kingdom to run. So Jon, stop freaking out and start fucking your aunt whom you love anyway; Daenerys, get off your high horse and marry the one who will strenghten your claim, forever secure the North, and will let you actually run the kingdom since he doesn't have the balls to do it; and Arya, you're now Daenerys' personal bodyguard and you'll defend her with your life if you actually want this fucking continent to finally be ruled adequately". And they for once engage their brains and listen to him.
Here's hoping they have the balls to have the main characters act realistically at least in the last episode.
Well it's an interesting notion to suggest that the 'realistic' way for human beings to act is in an coldly logical Mr Spock kind of way. Especially since human beings seem capable of knee-jerk emotional responses to just about anything, including shows on the telly not being exactly the way that they would like them to be.
Also I don't think you need to worry about putting spoiler tags around personal speculation.
Episode cast overview: | |||
Peter Dinklage | ... | Tyrion Lannister | |
Emilia Clarke | ... | Daenerys Targaryen | |
Kit Harington | ... | Jon Snow | |
Sophie Turner | ... | Sansa Stark | |
Maisie Williams | ... | Arya Stark | |
Liam Cunningham | ... | Davos Seaworth | |
John Bradley | ... | Samwell Tarly | |
Isaac Hempstead Wright | ... | Bran Stark | |
Gwendoline Christie | ... | Brienne of Tarth | |
Jacob Anderson | ... | Grey Worm | |
Hannah Murray | ... | Gilly | |
Jerome Flynn | ... | Bronn | |
Joe Dempsie | ... | Gendry |