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As someone who has a real problem with maggots- oh hell no. If someone showed up with one of those, my first words would be sorry about vomiting all over your army, then bright side... you win.
GW should make rules for some of these. That maggot demon should be able to fire those at things and make poxwalkers, plaguebringers, whatever, based on the wounds profile of what they kill. :devil:
 

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Although Death Guard right now are friggin’ as scary as they are in the fluff and Mortarion is everything a Daemon Primarch should be. I can’t wait for Magnus, and hopefully Fulgrim and Angron. The AoS model could be Fulgrim post-possession, pre-ascension for games of Horus Heresy...
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In 40K, that’s my Emperor’s Children Daemon Prince, assuming they actually get a Codex and aren’t Blandhammered into the Chaos SM book.
 

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I've watched a couple of GW's animated trailers and it's got me thinking.

The first thought is, man, they really need better voice actors. I don't know, too over the top I guess. Yes it's a scenery chewing setting but the bombastic narration isn't selling it. With fan stuff like The Lord Inquisitor and Astartes just killing it, why hasn't GW driven a truck load of money up to these guy's houses?

The second is, why aren't all space marine bolt guns autogun combi weapons? The cost of a single bolt gun round from a forge world, possibly even Mars, is so much greater than the value of a single cultist. It's not like weight is an issue for eight foot tall super soldiers in powered armour. That was my first thought on the walkers with all the heavy stubbers on them. Someone from accounts payable finally got their memo on cost effective solutions to hordes through the Adeptus Terra.

Actually, add Wargames Exclusive to the, "why haven't they hired these guys?" cue.
 

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I've watched a couple of GW's animated trailers and it's got me thinking.

The first thought is, man, they really need better voice actors. I don't know, too over the top I guess. Yes it's a scenery chewing setting but the bombastic narration isn't selling it. With fan stuff like The Lord Inquisitor and Astartes just killing it, why hasn't GW driven a truck load of money up to these guy's houses?

The second is, why aren't all space marine bolt guns autogun combi weapons? The cost of a single bolt gun round from a forge world, possibly even Mars, is so much greater than the value of a single cultist. It's not like weight is an issue for eight foot tall super soldiers in powered armour. That was my first thought on the walkers with all the heavy stubbers on them. Someone from accounts payable finally got their memo on cost effective solutions to hordes through the Adeptus Terra.

Actually, add Wargames Exclusive to the, "why haven't they hired these guys?" cue.
Because Wargames Exclusive, Artel W, Creature Caster, and others all bring up the same question. "How can these guys produce superior sculpts, at lower price points, using more expensive material, that's more flavorful and cool than GW can?"
 

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The second is, why aren't all space marine bolt guns autogun combi weapons? The cost of a single bolt gun round from a forge world, possibly even Mars, is so much greater than the value of a single cultist. It's not like weight is an issue for eight foot tall super soldiers in powered armour. That was my first thought on the walkers with all the heavy stubbers on them. Someone from accounts payable finally got their memo on cost effective solutions to hordes through the Adeptus Terra.
Because RAARK-pop-SWOOSH-thud-CRUMP is part of the point of a boltgun; they're weapons of terror just as much as they are of violence.
Something about loving and understanding the game and the setting maybe?
To be fair, they also have the advantage of being an obscure internet-based provider for specialist consumers, rather than running a global chain of retail stores targeting kids and their parent's wallets. Their position lets them get away with pushing the envelope in a way that GW's position doesn't; you couldn't put those models on display in a high-street retail store in the UK.
 

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I've watched a couple of GW's animated trailers and it's got me thinking.

The first thought is, man, they really need better voice actors. I don't know, too over the top I guess. Yes it's a scenery chewing setting but the bombastic narration isn't selling it. With fan stuff like The Lord Inquisitor and Astartes just killing it, why hasn't GW driven a truck load of money up to these guy's houses?

The second is, why aren't all space marine bolt guns autogun combi weapons? The cost of a single bolt gun round from a forge world, possibly even Mars, is so much greater than the value of a single cultist. It's not like weight is an issue for eight foot tall super soldiers in powered armour. That was my first thought on the walkers with all the heavy stubbers on them. Someone from accounts payable finally got their memo on cost effective solutions to hordes through the Adeptus Terra.

Actually, add Wargames Exclusive to the, "why haven't they hired these guys?" cue.


If it was me in charge of 40K, I'd turn to If the Emperor Had A Text-To-Speech Device as the basis for the game. I think it captures the dark humour and tongue-in-cheek satire of the Rogue Trader era while still managing to be epic and occasionally heroic.

Which probably just goes to show why it's a good thing I'm not in charge.
 

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I'm not sure. At least part of Warhammer and D&D's success is the appeal of the transgressive. D&D seems to be making the leap to mainstream at the cost of yielding to social pressure and it may be that Warhammer can as well, except, one of the foundations of Warhammer's success in the late eighties and early nineties is that it was transgressive when D&D was trying to clean up its image. It's all speculation without any kind of studies of course. I do recall reading a GW investor report or two that got circulated around years ago that pegged their main consumers as mothers and grandmothers looking to ditch the kids while they were shopping. My own observation from running a store for the last nine years is that kids rarely have money or bank cards and it's parents that do the actual buying.
 

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I'm not sure. At least part of Warhammer and D&D's success is the appeal of the transgressive. D&D seems to be making the leap to mainstream at the cost of yielding to social pressure and it may be that Warhammer can as well, except, one of the foundations of Warhammer's success in the late eighties and early nineties is that it was transgressive when D&D was trying to clean up its image. It's all speculation without any kind of studies of course. I do recall reading a GW investor report or two that got circulated around years ago that pegged their main consumers as mothers and grandmothers looking to ditch the kids while they were shopping. My own observation from running a store for the last nine years is that kids rarely have money or bank cards and it's parents that do the actual buying.
GW already has made the mainstream leap, though, and did so long before D&D (I'd suggest that, if anything, WotC are using GW's success as inspiration for their change); in the UK I'd suggest they probably did that in the late 90's - early 00's. The most openly transgressive stuff has been gone for ages, the worst that's really left is at the level of "oh, that's a lot of blood" or "she must be cold".
 

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Fair enough, the moral majority types in the eighties never did seem to discover Warhammer for some reason. What offends or upsets the majority in general has shifted quite a bit.
 

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Fair enough, the moral majority types in the eighties never did seem to discover Warhammer for some reason. What offends or upsets the majority in general has shifted quite a bit.
But again, at the time, GW were a fairly small independent retailer, so below their notice...
 

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As with much of the satanic panic, it really depends which circles you moved in. But GW retail was mainly in the UK back in the eighties and I think the general populace were a little more balanced than they were over here. Of course, there would still have been groups there that went to religious extremes but I think the broader impact of the satanic panic seems to have been lower.
 

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Some time back, I was watching one of those YouTube channels with a creator who does the whole GW commentary thing. This one claims to have run a GW store at some point.

Something I found bewildering was his claim that GW doesn't court "whales." This guy said that GW really doesn't care if they retain customers or if people buy all the kits and paints. All GW was concerned with (according to this guy) was moving Starters. It didn't matter if sales were up 500% in the store. If they weren't moving a certain amount of Starters, then the store was considered a failure. Allegedly, GW was actively hostile towards and discouraged repeat business, and store managers were encouraged to try and get repeat customers to go away.

The guy's claims don't make any sense to me, considering how much of GW's business model would then be stuff they don't want anyone to buy.
 

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Some time back, I was watching one of those YouTube channels with a creator who does the whole GW commentary thing. This one claims to have run a GW store at some point.

Something I found bewildering was his claim that GW doesn't court "whales." This guy said that GW really doesn't care if they retain customers or if people buy all the kits and paints. All GW was concerned with (according to this guy) was moving Starters. It didn't matter if sales were up 500% in the store. If they weren't moving a certain amount of Starters, then the store was considered a failure. Allegedly, GW was actively hostile towards and discouraged repeat business, and store managers were encouraged to try and get repeat customers to go away.

The guy's claims don't make any sense to me, considering how much of GW's business model would then be stuff they don't want anyone to buy.
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense, to me at least. Most forms of retail operations will have reasonably affordable stuff that might draw in the curious, but while a certain amount of volume can go a long way, it's usually the higher priced items that you eventually want to push.

It's possible he may have misinterpreted a push to try to bring in new blood at one point, or maybe he just didn't like new customers who might have an inkling of what was going on as opposed to the uninitiated who he could bullshit more easily.
 

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Because RAARK-pop-SWOOSH-thud-CRUMP is part of the point of a boltgun; they're weapons of terror just as much as they are of violence.

To be fair, they also have the advantage of being an obscure internet-based provider for specialist consumers, rather than running a global chain of retail stores targeting kids and their parent's wallets. Their position lets them get away with pushing the envelope in a way that GW's position doesn't; you couldn't put those models on display in a high-street retail store in the UK.
You couldn’t put the tits on display, but everything else isn’t any more gross or sexy than what GW puts out, they’re just usually better, cooler, and more fun. :shade:
 

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GW became santized for the kiddies in 1992, with the release of WFB 4th edition, aimed at a young adult audience. 40K followed suit. There was some holdovers of the darker stuff, but mostly just stuff that would appeal to a 14 year old boy, like the Juan Diaz Daemonettes, but even that's been scrubbed clean by this point.

But as far as mainstream, GW dwarfs D&D even in it's current social fad status.
 

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My FLGS is really pushing different paint lines and basing materials. They reckon that the painting-only side of the hobby has really taken off and that a significant chunk of their customers have no interest in gaming. Lockdown may be having an effect here, but it may be that we're also seeing a generational shift in the GW customer base.

I feel that, anecdotally, I see more families at cons, and more women in it for their own hobby rather than a partner's, compared to even a decade ago.
 

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My FLGS is really pushing different paint lines and basing materials. They reckon that the painting-only side of the hobby has really taken off and that a significant chunk of their customers have no interest in gaming. Lockdown may be having an effect here, but it may be that we're also seeing a generational shift in the GW customer base.

I feel that, anecdotally, I see more families at cons, and more women in it for their own hobby rather than a partner's, compared to even a decade ago.
At the Warhammer stores and FLGS’s I see gamer chicks working there, playing in 40K tournaments, painting up Necromunda gangs, etc. You also see the stereotypical gamer girlfriend, and the chicks who love painting their boyfriend’s armies, or just like painting the models, but most of the time these days I see girls and women that are there to wreck face.
 
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