David Johansen
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It's what happens when you stifle a sneeze.
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It actually started as a discussion of how one of the artists for New Mutants insisted on giving Cannonball a forehead that was 8 stories tall.
Sienkiewicz was extremely stylized, but his run on New Mutants was easily one of the best visual stretches of the title.
It's always amused me that other artists took his exaggerated initial depiction of Strong Guy at face value, ignoring the fact that pretty much all of his characters at that point were drawn in a non-realistic manner.I didn't mind most of his stylization, but the way he drew Sam with the ridiculously massive forehead, and Rahne with the most angular square face always put me off.
I do think it is funny how much of his stylization of Legion has stuck as just canon appearance though.
It's always amused me that other artists took his exaggerated initial depiction of Strong Guy at face value, ignoring the fact that pretty much all of his characters at that point were drawn in a non-realistic manner.
It reads like a 12-year-old boy incompetently aping Alan Moore and Garth Ennis.
That's the best description of Mark Millar I've come across
It was Jeph Loeb, I believe.
It was Jeph Loeb, I believe.
It says something that Loeb's work was actually less subtle that Millar's work that preceded it.It was Jeph Loeb, I believe.
It says something that Loeb's work was actually less subtle that Millar's work that preceded it.
Anyway. I just got done with Inferno and... my god that storyline is a jumbled mess. And I say that as someone who did actually like some of the broad strokes, mostly on the side of Mr Sinister stuff. All the demon parts really just make the story worse.
Anyway. I just got done with Inferno and... my god that storyline is a jumbled mess. And I say that as someone who did actually like some of the broad strokes, mostly on the side of Mr Sinister stuff. All the demon parts really just make the story worse.
So I'm continuing my "reread everything X-Men" adventure. I have decided to skip some things. Mostly because I've already read them before and I don't think they add much to the overall adventure. Not reading Wolverine again because I didn't enjoy his solo stuff very much outside of the Weapon X things. Not reading all the like crossovers where it's someone else's comic and an X-Man just happens to show up.
Anyway. I just got done with Inferno and... my god that storyline is a jumbled mess. And I say that as someone who did actually like some of the broad strokes, mostly on the side of Mr Sinister stuff. All the demon parts really just make the story worse.
Inferno is when I started to tune out of X-Men although I Iiked the extended surreal and dreamlike sequences of Madeline and S'ym.
Did you go through ALL of Inferno or just the Uncanny and X-Factor parts? Inferno is my second favorite after X-Tinction Agenda, but even I'll admit that the New Mutants and X-Terminators parts are absolutely unbearable.
Inferno is my favourite X-storyline. But I agree it, on the surface, seems a disjointed mess. The thing is, half of it was in-jokes and commentaries on the comicbook industry.
I don’t know if I ever heard that before. What kind of commentary?
I know Claremont was very annoyed by them bringing back Jean, and how much of a dick they turned Cyclops into for abandoning Maddie and their kid....so I knew some of that had come into play.
Honestly, having reread it recently, not to say Cyclops isn't somewhat at fault, but I think he gets way more blame for all of that than he deserved. It's like, very messy. Like, yes he should have explained where he was going, and he should have told Jean about Maddie and Nathan, but I can see why he would go to NYC after hearing that one of his lifelong friends showed up alive after everyone thought she was dead.
And he did try to call not long after and all the lines had been disconnected. And he tried to contact other people and no one could get in touch with her. And when he went back they literally had put a decoy dead body out to make him think she was dead.
Basically: Cyclops is yes a dick, but it really wasn't AS shitty as a lot of people make it out to be.
Honestly, having reread it recently, not to say Cyclops isn't somewhat at fault, but I think he gets way more blame for all of that than he deserved. It's like, very messy. Like, yes he should have explained where he was going, and he should have told Jean about Maddie and Nathan, but I can see why he would go to NYC after hearing that one of his lifelong friends showed up alive after everyone thought she was dead.
And he did try to call not long after and all the lines had been disconnected. And he tried to contact other people and no one could get in touch with her. And when he went back they literally had put a decoy dead body out to make him think she was dead.
Basically: Cyclops is yes a dick, but it really wasn't AS shitty as a lot of people make it out to be.