New edition of WH40K

[DeadBob]

You are required to growl "You have failed this Imperium!" whenever you activate the miniature if you build it with the helmetless, hooded head.

 

[Ladybird]

Note the OC rating, which is new. That’s Objective Control, which replaces Objective Secured and the wonky rules for who holds an Objective. Now just count OC values (I guess?).

My guess is it will be per model, which is a rule that I've felt the Warhammers have needed for a while to differentiate troop types.

 

[Picaroon Jack]

New Termagants. Don’t think I’d bother getting new Termas and Hormas.
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I used to love hormagaunts. Just an endless wave of them.

 

[CRKrueger]

I used to love hormagaunts. Just an endless wave of them.

You can never have too many Hormagaunts. Well, I guess technically 180 is the max. It would be glorious though.

 

[Picaroon Jack]

You can never have too many Hormagaunts. Well, I guess technically 180 is the max. It would be glorious though.

One edition had "endless swarm" where you could just take dead ones and add them to the back. That might have been Apocalypse, though.

 

[CRKrueger]

One edition had "endless swarm" where you could just take dead ones and add them to the back. That might have been Apocalypse, though.

In 8th IIRC, you could bring one unit back.

 

[Smithnikov]

*looks up from Killteam bunker*

Nope, not clear yet.

*goes back down*

 

[CRKrueger]

I'm surprised the Nigerian artist "Burna Boy" hasn't been issued a C&D by Games Workshop.

 

[CRKrueger]

Well GW’s true to form.

All Lion El’Johnson products sold out immediately, then website crashes…again.

 

[Smithnikov]

Well GW’s true to form.

All Lion El’Johnson products sold out immediately, then website crashes…again.

*SIGH*

And the grip tightens further....

 

[CRKrueger]

*SIGH*

And the grip tightens further....

I don’t see what faked collectibility gets them. They easily could have sold 4 times the number of Collector’s Editions just from the FLGS orders, let alone the webstore direct. I almost think they’re actually behind all the eBay scalpers, nothing else makes any sense.

 

[Stumpydave]

For those with a mind towards 3d printing, there's already at least one passable homage for less than a copy of White Dwarf.

 

[CRKrueger]

For those with a mind towards 3d printing, there's already at least one passable homage for less than a copy of White Dwarf.

Haven't seen too many Primarch sculpts I like more than the GW/FW ones. I could do with a different Sanguinius though, something more like this.

 

[CRKrueger]

Here’s some reveals of the new minis in the Leviathan boxed set.

 

[Ladybird]

I still think Space Marines look stupid without their helmets, especially Terminators - tiny head huge body syndrome - but that Captain and Apothecary look great, and the Screamer-Killer is an amazing update of the classic design.

 

[bleys21]

Those Tyranids look insane!

 

[CRKrueger]

I still think Space Marines look stupid without their helmets, especially Terminators - tiny head huge body syndrome - but that Captain and Apothecary look great, and the Screamer-Killer is an amazing update of the classic design.

They’re going for harkening back to the classics. I think “Captain in Terminator Armour w/Powersword and Storm Bolter“ was supposed to be Captain Agemman of the Ultramarines First Company. With an Iron Halo he doesn’t need a helmet. The new model has Agemman painted on his Pauldron scroll. Here’s some old pictures of Agemman.

 

[CRKrueger]

Those Tyranids look insane!

Yeah, the Screamer-Killer and the Winged Tyranid Prime are must haves for my Tyranids.

 

[CRKrueger]

There’s also Von Ryan’s Leapers, like pack-hunting Lictors.

 

[CRKrueger]

Then there’s these creepy fuckers, Neurogaunts, Synapse Boosters and Bodyguards for your Psychic units.

 

[CRKrueger]

More creepy gaunts, Barbgaunts. This one and the Neurogaunts are basically Termas and Hormas that got taken out of the oven and had new symbionts spiked into their nervous systems then tossed back in to finish up.

 

[Ladybird]

They’re going for harkening back to the classics. I think “Captain in Terminator Armour w/Powersword and Storm Bolter“ was supposed to be Captain Agemman of the Ultramarines First Company. With an Iron Halo he doesn’t need a helmet. The new model has Agemman painted on his Pauldron scroll. Here’s some old pictures of Agemman

I think it's the proportions of the new terminator suits that really bug me; his head doesn't fill the space. It's not a problem for the helmeted ones, or even the librarian as his psychic hood bulk his head out enough.

Cool minis otherwise, though.

 

[Fenris-77]

 

[Brock Savage]

I mentioned to an associate that I was getting back into 40k after a long break and they were like *gasp!* "GW has been screwing over their customers!" This person tends to frame everything they dislike in hyperbolic and hysterical terms so I'm guessing it's the following:

• People who should have known better getting their fan projects shut down because GW has been vigorously defending their IP for decades.
• High prices.
• Army Book release schedules that screw certain armies and promote others.
• Loosey-goosey rules written for a friendly beer and pretzels game that are ill-suited for for pedantic, hypercompetitive American nerds.

In other words, it's business as usual for GW and there's nothing really preventing me from getting back into the game, right? In fact, I've heard that GW finally got their act together and are releasing decent rules lately which is another reason why I want to give it another look. Bunny's been getting into the 40k memes and showing interest in the Imperium of Man so a new edition is a perfect opportunity.

 

[Godfather Punk]

that GW finally got their act together and are releasing decent rules lately

and then Nerf them before the ink is dry...

 

[Godfather Punk]

A few years ago I read somewhere that GW tries to keep a customer for about three years. The newbies are enthusiastic, buy lots of plastic and books and other stuff. After that, when GW have earned enough and the customer starts complaining, they publish a new edition and reel in the next generation. And start the cycle all over again. Off course the new edition emphasizes the new kits, so they don't lose too much from second hand armies.
Me, I'm already in Year 4, and ready for Leviathan

 

[Gabriel]

Gonna try to get my order in next weekend. This is basically the kind of set I wanted when I was trying to get into 40K back around 2015.

Back then there was a battle box set called Death Storm which was Blood Angels vs Tyranids and had mostly older kits. I would have got that, but it had just gone out of stock at the time and everyone was charging ludicrous prices for the set. Even though to me 40K is heavily defined in my imagination with Space Marines vs Tyranids/Genestealer Cult, I've patiently waited all this time before buying any Tyranid models. And now my patience might pay off with this glorious Leviathan box which is like Death Storm on steroids.

I'm a bit irritated that I'm effectively getting into the game all over again, but I accept that is the nature of the GW beast. This is effectively my third time starting over. I started at the very tail end of 7th, and that didn't really go anywhere. Then I started again at the dawn of 9th and that has gone fairly well. So here I go again with 10th.

The good thing is that the Leviathan models are easy assembly push fit. At least they'll get assembled which is doing better than the Sisters Battleforce and Tau Start Collecting/Combat Patrols are doing in my pile of shame.

I'm sad the old Dreadnoughts are being discontinued. I'm fond of them, and my Venerable Dreadnought is one of my favorite little guys. I'm not sure if I'll have the same affection for the new dreads, but then again I haven't assembled one yet.

 

[Smithnikov]

• People who should have known better getting their fan projects shut down because GW has been vigorously defending their IP for decades.

Bruva Alfabusa and the fan projects brought more people into 40k than just about any attempt by GW themselves in many years. Not sorry.

As for preventing you from getting back into the game, hey, if you got 800-2000 to drop on an army, ain't nobody stopping you. I know this cowboy doesn't make that kind of scratch though.

 

[Brock Savage]

Bruva Alfabusa and the fan projects brought more people into 40k than just about any attempt by GW themselves in many years. Not sorry.

Can you provide evidence for that claim?

As for preventing you from getting back into the game, hey, if you got 800-2000 to drop on an army, ain't nobody stopping you. I know this cowboy doesn't make that kind of scratch though

I have found that it's often preferable to start a new army by buying a single squad or unit each month instead of trying to build a dream army overnight. One squad or unit a month is a realistic painting and modelling goal for just about anyone. Sitting on $1,000+ of unassembled, unpainted grey plastic can be an overwhelming experience that kills enthusiasm.

 

[CRKrueger]

I mentioned to an associate that I was getting back into 40k after a long break and they were like *gasp!* "GW has been screwing over their customers!" This person tends to frame everything they dislike in hyperbolic and hysterical terms so I'm guessing it's the following:

• People who should have known better getting their fan projects shut down because GW has been vigorously defending their IP for decades.
• High prices.
• Army Book release schedules that screw certain armies and promote others.
• Loosey-goosey rules written for a friendly beer and pretzels game that are ill-suited for for pedantic, hypercompetitive American nerds.

In other words, it's business as usual for GW and there's nothing really preventing me from getting back into the game, right? In fact, I've heard that GW finally got their act together and are releasing decent rules lately which is another reason why I want to give it another look. Bunny's been getting into the 40k memes and showing interest in the Imperium of Man so a new edition is a perfect opportunity.

I’d say 10th is a good time to get in.

• Rules, points, datasheets for everything - all downloadable at the start for free.
• Combat Patrol and Boarding Action are two ways to play the game with smaller size forces.
• The rules are much lighter than Peak 9th, should be easy to learn.
• Leviathan box is push fit. Trying to put together a Dread or Carnifex for a newbie might be a bit much if it wasn’t.

 

[Smithnikov]

Can you provide evidence for that claim?

You probably won't take anecdotal evidence, but I'm standing by that.

I have found that it's often preferable to start a new army by buying a single squad or unit each month instead of trying to build a dream army overnight. One squad or unit a month is a realistic painting and modelling goal for just about anyone. Sitting on $1,000+ of unassembled, unpainted grey plastic can be an overwhelming experience that kills enthusiasm.

You're a more patient soul than I, then, especially if you're going for the standard 2000 point amount.

 

[CRKrueger]

Bruva Alfabusa and the fan projects brought more people into 40k than just about any attempt by GW themselves in many years. Not sorry.

The streamers who show games, the lore people like Luetin09, all the painting and modeling channels, sure. But specifically “If the Emperor Had a Text-to-Speech Device”, I’m not sure about. It’s parody humor. If you‘re not already into 40K, would you even know WTH they’re talking about.

I’d say what most attract new players to 40K are the video games and the novels. Way more eyeballs on those media.

 

[Brock Savage]

I’d say 10th is a good time to get in.

• Rules, points, datasheets for everything - all downloadable at the start for free.
• Combat Patrol and Boarding Action are two ways to play the game with smaller size forces.
• The rules are much lighter than Peak 9th, should be easy to learn.
• Leviathan box is push fit. Trying to put together a Dread or Carnifex for a newbie might be a bit much if it wasn’t.

Everything I've seen so far about 10th edition looks solid. Can you tell me more about Combat Patrol and Boarding Action? It looks like GW moved away from ye olde 6'x4' to accommodate the modular 30" by 22". I am eyeballing those modular battlefields and they are a perfect fit for someone like me with limited space.

I downloaded the free Core Rules which feels like a step in the right direction. I hate having to buy yet another massive hardbound rules tome with a limited shelf life and hope the mini rule books of 6th edition are still a thing. What do you think the edition lifespan is gonna be? The first three editions lasted 6 years, then it dropped to 4 for a couple editions. Sixth Edition only lasted a couple years (!), and the past few editions have cycled every 3 years.

 

[Brock Savage]

One edition had "endless swarm" where you could just take dead ones and add them to the back. That might have been Apocalypse, though.

I am happy to say that the "drown them in bodies" strategy is back for the Guard. I hope that cheap conscript blobs + a commissar are still a thing in 10th. I'd point them towards the closest Objective with a 4 man platoon command squad barking "Move move move!" and "First rank fire, second rank fire!" I'd try to field one in every army.

 

[CRKrueger]

Everything I've seen so far about 10th edition looks solid. Can you tell me more about Combat Patrol and Boarding Action? It looks like GW moved away from ye olde 6'x4' to accommodate the modular 30" by 22". I am eyeballing those modular battlefields and they are a perfect fit for someone like me with limited space.

I downloaded the free Core Rules which feels like a step in the right direction. I hate having to buy yet another massive hardbound rules tome with a limited shelf life and hope the mini rule books of 6th edition are still a thing. What do you think the edition lifespan is gonna be? The first three editions lasted 6 years, then it dropped to 4 for a couple editions. Sixth Edition only lasted a couple years (!), and the past few editions have cycled every 3 years.

Combat Patrol is like the QuickStart to 40k. You each grab a Combat Patrol box, put them together and fight. The rules are mostly the same, but CP will have different Missions, Enhancements and Objectives for a smaller force. I think GW thinks people will play CP literally with just the Combat Patrol boxes (as opposed to putting together 500pts of whatever army they have laying around) good news is there’s no reason you can’t just use

Boarding Action isn’t as divergent from 40K as Kill Team, but it does vary from 40K. You’re limited as to what units you can take because you’re inside a ship. The big deal (and expense) with Boarding Action is the terrain, but you could just draw it on a mat and pretend there’s walls there for Line of Sight. The missions in Boarding Action are more…interactive, with doors to open, generators to disable, and lots of weird things happen. The ship could be cut in half, it could be haunted, gravity and lighting could come and go, etc. Also with boarding action it’s much more dependent of LoS. In 40K, if I see the foot of one guy sticking out from a wall, I could kill the whole unit. In Boarding Actions, you have to have LoS to the model and you can’t fire through your own troops, so have to leave a little space for them to fire through each other. A lot of auras don’t work through walls, etc. They’ve said Boarding Action will be supported in 10th, but there aren’t any released rules yet.