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...no?So... since... this is a... version of Mythras/RQ6... you all are aware what question I want to ask..........
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Yes ....no?
Wait, is it about the fonts and legibility?
The font is Alegreya and it’s 10 point. It’s naturally a small font but it is pleasing to the eye.So... since... this is a... version of Mythras/RQ6... you all are aware what question I want to ask..........
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I asked because it's such a thick book, which caused me more font angst that it would be one more thick hard on the eyes prick tease of a book that I can't read due to eye fatigue. I can't do more of those books teasing me and not putting out the wonderful mechanics completion that I deserve...The font for RoR seems fine to me, as does the font used in the RQ6 core book
But the font used in the Mythras corebook, I can defiantely see the concerns there
Hopefully TDM has got sick of us complaining and will try a larger font whenever a new version/edition of the Mythras core rules gets published
RoR isn't a product of TDM, that's some of the rub, it really should be a Mythras Gateway product
Also...anyone got a copy of a form-fillable RoR character sheet out there?
Just askin' for a friend
So did you check the preview at Drivethru? I can read the Mythras corebook just fine, so I can't tell you whether RoR would work for you. But I'd like to know as well, because I'm not getting younger.I asked because it's such a thick book, which caused me more font angst that it would be one more thick hard on the eyes prick tease of a book that I can't read due to eye fatigue. I can't do more of those books teasing me and not putting out the wonderful mechanics completion that I deserve...
...OK, that last sentence? It needs some clarification, man, it really does!Pretty much the best CoC book there is, and easy to make add-ons to it, with various supplements.
The planar beasts are really neat and break down into easy types - and really gave me a Babylon 5 / Star Trek feel, settings wise. And let's face it, Star Trek makes Warhammer 40k rather tame in comparison.
Riders of R'lyeh' GM Guide: For When Chthulhu Is Rising And You Don't Have A Convenient Steamship!As one of the original kickstarter backers, I have the Gothic B&W edition of Raiders of R'lyeh in both PDF and printed book, but only had the GM Guide & Complete Rules in PDF, that is, until this week.
OMG !!!
I already knew that the GM Guide & Complete Rules had a lot of content, but it wasn’t until seeing it in printed form that I was able to appreciate how much more content there is.
It’s an absolute tome, lots to read, and so thick that it’s almost too cumbersome to casually peruse. It must be about 500 pages of reasonably dense text, then wrap the hardcovers around that. You could basically just bash Cthulhu back to the Outer Realms with this brick!
Get to the Fitness&Conditioning thread, we'll help you!i have it in PDF and it is incredibly dense. The hardcover must require a Brawn roll to lift!
Well, I've been looking for a modern horror game for Mythras, so...this has legs!IIRC, it is not Gateway, but there was an agreement reached and it is free and clear. definitely a good resource if you wanted some Mythos in your Mythras.
I need to check out the preview. didn't even think of that. LolSo did you check the preview at Drivethru? I can read the Mythras corebook just fine, so I can't tell you whether RoR would work for you. But I'd like to know as well, because I'm not getting younger.
Also, I've found that Abyssinica SIL improves legibility without even changing the font size. So maybe we should start pestering TDM for an edition with a different font, instead?
...OK, that last sentence? It needs some clarification, man, it really does!
(I'm not exactly a Star Trek fan, so I don't remember any monsters there!)
Riders of R'lyeh' GM Guide: For When Chthulhu Is Rising And You Don't Have A Convenient Steamship!
Get to the Fitness&Conditioning thread, we'll help you!
Well, I've been looking for a modern horror game for Mythras, so...this has legs!
Went and checked out the preview. One word.... "Nice!" Second word... "Ordered". We will see how the hardcover printing works out. The Lyonesse book from DriveThruRpg was a fail due to how thick it was. Had to send them pictures etc because it came out of the box falling apart along the spine. It wasn't set properly basically from what I could tell.I need to check out the preview. didn't even think of that. Lol
Yeah, as much as I'd like a hardcopy of RoR I don't want that crappy DTRPG binding on anything that thick.DriveThruRpg doesn't deal well with books over 400 pages maybe even less than that. I've noted that all of my under 300 page books are fine, but these thicker ones... not so much.
I recommend just buying the abridged version (Gothic B&W edition) in hardcover, and getting the full version (GM Guide & Complete Edition) in pdf.Yeah, as much as I'd like a hardcopy of RoR I don't want that crappy DTRPG binding on anything that thick.
Yeah, but the part I actually want/need to read is in the GM edition...I recommend just buying the abridged version (Gothic B&W edition) in hardcover, and getting the full version (GM Guide & Complete Edition) in pdf.
Best of both worlds
I need to check out the preview. didn't even think of that. Lol
So, what you're telling us is, we can direct people who like Mythras, but not the fonts, towards RoR?Went and checked out the preview. One word.... "Nice!" Second word... "Ordered". We will see how the hardcover printing works out. The Lyonesse book from DriveThruRpg was a fail due to how thick it was. Had to send them pictures etc because it came out of the box falling apart along the spine. It wasn't set properly basically from what I could tell.
DriveThruRpg doesn't deal well with books over 400 pages maybe even less than that. I've noted that all of my under 300 page books are fine, but these thicker ones... not so much.
I think i do. i'll check when i get home. Mine is nearly brand new. what would you like to know?Does anyone have the hardcopy of GM Guide & Complete Edition and can tell us about binding quality?
I cannot hack reading books on screen.
Yes, if they want readable rules.So, what you're telling us is, we can direct people who like Mythras, but not the fonts, towards RoR?
If so, would you check the Destined preview as well?
Cheers mate. Just any feedback on the print quality really. I don't have much experience ordering hardcopy from drivethru. Folks are saying the binding on large books can be a bit ropey, and RoR GM Guide is clearly a large book.I think i do. i'll check when i get home. Mine is nearly brand new. what would you like to know?
I suspect the font was part of the deconfliction so it could get the OGL ;)Raleel Look at all that beautiful, readable font! Far as the eye can see!
or the tech is there and the tech is horrendously expensive, which is my guess. Like a few years back when hero forge did their color mini kickstarter - a good chunk of that was actually just to buy infrastructure AFAIK. The printers were VERY pricey - $250k pricey.The printed book does look great, though at the same time those large books printed by DriveThru, the binding holding all those pages to the cover is just a single moderately thick'ish piece of paper. Not a true traditional book binding.
It's a shame the aren't able to, or don't offer a better binding option. Perhaps the tech just isn't there yet for a printing press printer capable of making a book with a better/stronger binding.
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i think it needs a bit more than that, but would definitely take these thingsMythras just needs a small makeover and it’ll be chef’s kiss. Some better fonts, a dash of color art inside and presto.
I found that Gorilla Glue carefully applied fixed my Mythras Lyoness book when it came in all falling apart.The printed book does look great, though at the same time those large books printed by DriveThru, the binding holding all those pages to the cover is just a single moderately thick'ish piece of paper. Not a true traditional book binding.
It's a shame the aren't able to, or don't offer a better binding option. Perhaps the tech just isn't there yet for a printing press printer capable of making a book with a better/stronger binding.
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Thanks for the pics. I expect I will be picking it up with some reservations over durability. Admittedly, I'm unlikely to use the book at table anyway (I would probably print off key references for use in game and/or have my laptop open).
I guess I'm spoiled by these leatherette special editions you get these days.
This will probably get me kicked out of the pub but I don't get the font problem with Mythras, and my eyesight isn't what it was.
By the way, that was a wee bit more gun porn than I was expecting in RoR.
Blammo's post doesn't do it justice. The thinness of the font combined with the fade of the ink style and the ligatures on the font make my eyes fatigue within a few pages. More than once the Mythras core book has made me fall asleep due to eye fatigue. It's tragic really because it makes the books unuseable for me at least and I am not the only one who complains, you can read complaints on DriveThruRpg as well. BTW I noted recently that the poor scans of GDW's 1st edition Twilight 2000 and 1st edition Palladium Fantasy Rpg were more readable. How sad is that? I read through both core books with no issues in comparison and they are poor scans.Is there an example of that infamous Mythras font somewhere?
I found the example convincing enough. Before that, I figured it might have more to do with some eyesight issue of yours. You still might want to get them checked, though.Blammo's post doesn't do it justice. The thinness of the font combined with the fade of the ink style and the ligatures on the font make my eyes fatigue within a few pages. More than once the Mythras core book has made me fall asleep due to eye fatigue. It's tragic really because it makes the books unuseable for me at least and I am not the only one who complains, you can read complaints on DriveThruRpg as well. BTW I noted recently that the poor scans of GDW's 1st edition Twilight 2000 and 1st edition Palladium Fantasy Rpg were more readable. How sad is that? I read through both core books with no issues in comparison and they are poor scans.
Larger font, and full colour artwork for the chapter openers, and a less cluttered character sheet (something between Imperative and the Core sheets).i think it needs a bit more than that, but would definitely take these things
You’ve read my master plan though!Larger font, and full colour artwork for the chapter openers, and a less cluttered character sheet (something between Imperative and the Core sheets).
Perhaps the incidental examples in the book just need to be set in Mythic Greece instead of Meeros, of go with or Thennla (if deciding Thennla, then it needs to be more supported with an expanded full line of books as the 'default' fantasy setting for Mythras)