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But I still think Star Trek needs to stop with the "prequels" and make another leap forward about 70-80 years like they did when The Next Generation went on the air.
And yet people bitched and moaned about Picard. Which I really enjoyed.But I still think Star Trek needs to stop with the "prequels" and make another leap forward about 70-80 years like they did when The Next Generation went on the air.
I don’t know my Star Trek that well. Is the Pike here the same one that was in the JJ verse? He directly proceeded Kirk as captain? What happened to him after that?
I don’t know my Star Trek that well. Is the Pike here the same one that was in the JJ verse? He directly proceeded Kirk as captain? What happened to him after that?
Yes, this. For some reason there's a lot of people on the internet who will tell you that any or all of the recent "All Access" era shows are part of the universe of the Abrams films, but they're not (you would be forgiven for thinking so based solely on art design, in some cases, but in terms of storytelling it's all the Prime universe).Since this is an offshoot of Discovery, he should be the one from the original (or Prime) universe, not the Abrams one
So what happened to Pike in the prime universe?
So what happened to Pike in the prime universe?
I just had this random question pop up in my mind. It seems like the ships stay in service for over a hundred years. Don’t they eventually retire ships as they become outdated? I know Enterprise was rebuilt, but why not just retire the name? I guess the merchandising answer is $$$ but I was thinking “in universe”.
That's something that could be interesting. It would be even better if they made the sets and tech look like what we saw in "The Cage." I recently got a hold of a Marvel comic book series set in the Captain Pike era.
But I still think Star Trek needs to stop with the "prequels" and make another leap forward about 70-80 years like they did when The Next Generation went on the air.
Spock smiled back then. Have you not seen "The Cage"?ugh, why is Spock smiling?
Spock smiled back then. Have you not seen "The Cage"?
Spock was emotional in "The Cage." Openly smiling, and screaming "The WOMEN!" It was only later that he began to better emulate the Vulcan philosophy, which I imagine the series will depict.
Actually it's supposed to be the original timeline from what I have heard, despite all the discrepancies and inconsistencies.Well, this is the timeline where Spock angrily punches khan in the face repeatedly while screaming, so - yeah...
Spock's emotions on display:I'm getting 404 errors from the links.
The second season of Discovery involved a lot of time travel, and Captain Pike got a glimpse of himself disfigured in the life-support chair if he were to continue with the destruction of CONTROL. He recoiled in terror at first, but then went through with it anyway, accepting his fate.
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No wonder they gave him his own pre-TOS show and shuttled Discovery off to the grim darkness of the far future.One of the truly sublime scenes in the haphazard construct that Discovery turned out to be. What a magnificent badass. (Total Kirk stand-in but I was strangely okay with that.)
(sigh) No, it isn't - the three Abrams/Pine movies are the only (non-comic) examples we have that aren't part of the Prime universe.Well, this is the timeline where Spock angrily punches khan in the face repeatedly while screaming, so - yeah...
People bitched because what they got was not the real Captain Picard. The real Captain was a diplomatic hero, some would say self-righteous, but he saved the Federation and galaxy multiple times. The show made him into a doddering fool, who got led around by a hot topic crew, being blamed for things he had no control over. There was a rewriting of iconic species and characters, changing them into dark and corrupted vision of themselves, in the modern nihilistic approach that most American Television prides itself as being 'topical' and 'relevant'.And yet people bitched and moaned about Picard. Which I really enjoyed.
Actually that's not quite correct. The 'Prime' universe is another Bad Robot/Secret Hideout a spin off because the Kelvin Universe flopped, and the fact Paramount and CBS had complex right issues. Not to mention that Abrams' companies having a deal of their own for Star Trek merchandise (the real money maker) that CBS literally scoffed at. The rumour is that BR wanted CBS to stop selling the Original and Next Gen toys so they 'wouldn't compete with itself', and CBS looked at them and laughed in tens of millions of dollars at Abrams.Since this is an offshoot of Discovery, he should be the one from the original (or Prime) universe, not the Abrams one
If this new show comes out, we'll found out then. There's the question of: Where are they getting the money? Netflx blew CBS off after Season 1 of Discovery when that show bombed, so they had to scramble to get cash for the second season, which I believe Amazon forked over, likely thinking 'Holy hell! Netflix is not interested in a STAR TREK SHOW? Are they stupid?' and when they got the numbers in then Amazon was 'Oh, now we see why... Um, yeah, this third season? We is out after.' Part of Picard's Budget got siphoned to STD to cover the last season.So what happened to Pike in the prime universe?
That site by the way is owned by CBS. So yeah, trust them to be honest with everything about their parent company.Or if you want more information with actual sources instead of another passionate screed wherein C Chris Brady makes numerous unsupported assertions:
‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ To Be More Optimistic And Episodic, Says Co-Creator
The new Star Trek show will be different than 'Picard' and 'Discovery'trekmovie.com
Yes, CBS owns it, which is why they have access to actual information instead of unsupported assertions such as those you constantly post about Star Trek, Star Wars, and every other IP out there, just as I said.That site by the way is owned by CBS. So yeah, trust them to be honest with everything about their parent company.
And you think they don't lie about their properties and how well they're doing, to keep their investors happy? Really? You've never worked in the corporate world have you? (Not a slight, most people don't.) In fact, I'm almost certain that the information I've been given has been sugar coated for my benefit.Yes, CBS owns it, which is why they have access to actual information instead of unsupported assertions such as those you constantly post about Star Trek, Star Wars, and every other IP out there, just as I said.
You claim insider information on every IP and yet can never support anything you say and we both know you don't work in the industry. Based on your prior statements, you don't work at all. You're the same guy who claims Star Wars is losing money, etc. Why should anyone believe anything you post about these topics? Upload your supporting evidence. We both know you won't because per usual you're talking out of your ass just like your bizarre political screed about She-Ra. You see boogeymen everywhere.And you think they don't lie about their properties and how well they're doing, to keep their investors happy? Really? You've never worked in the corporate world have you? (Not a slight, most people don't.) In fact, I'm almost certain that the information I've been given has been sugar coated for my benefit.
(sigh) No, it isn't - the three Abrams/Pine movies are the only (non-comic) examples we have that aren't part of the Prime universe.
Star Trek has always been politically inspired by the time it is made. In other news, so are almost all tv, movies and literature.People bitched because what they got was not the real Captain Picard. The real Captain was a diplomatic hero, some would say self-righteous, but he saved the Federation and galaxy multiple times. The show made him into a doddering fool, who got led around by a hot topic crew, being blamed for things he had no control over. There was a rewriting of iconic species and characters, changing them into dark and corrupted vision of themselves, in the modern nihilistic approach that most American Television prides itself as being 'topical' and 'relevant'.
They bitched because they know Star Trek better than Secret Hideout and Bad Robot ever did, that it's a hopeful setting, that we can believe that we will be better than we are now. The fans don't need another pessimistic show about doom and gloom, they can look outside their window for that. The show runners also wanted to keep the show topical and relevant, but they don't seem to realize that these ideas are fleeting, what is topical now, won't be in a few years.
Most of ToS and Next Gen stays popular because the themes and stories are timeless.
Actually that's not quite correct. The 'Prime' universe is another Bad Robot/Secret Hideout a spin off because the Kelvin Universe flopped, and the fact Paramount and CBS had complex right issues. Not to mention that Abrams' companies having a deal of their own for Star Trek merchandise (the real money maker) that CBS literally scoffed at. The rumour is that BR wanted CBS to stop selling the Original and Next Gen toys so they 'wouldn't compete with itself', and CBS looked at them and laughed in tens of millions of dollars at Abrams.
The 'Prime' universe is Bad Robot/Secret Hideout's attempt at trying to make their projects linked to the Original universe for the money. They want to insinuate that their stuff is just as 'important' as the ToS/NG stuff is, but no one is buying it, often quite literally. There's almost no merchandise for Discovery and Picard, not in the numbers that ToS brought. Most of the toy makers are not willing to make anything from anything Abrams' projects. Star Wars toys are proving of that, as almost everything from their Trilogy and spinoffs, which was started by Bad Robot has been sitting on shelves and clearance bins within months of movie releases.
If this new show comes out, we'll found out then. There's the question of: Where are they getting the money? Netflx blew CBS off after Season 1 of Discovery when that show bombed, so they had to scramble to get cash for the second season, which I believe Amazon forked over, likely thinking 'Holy hell! Netflix is not interested in a STAR TREK SHOW? Are they stupid?' and when they got the numbers in then Amazon was 'Oh, now we see why... Um, yeah, this third season? We is out after.' Part of Picard's Budget got siphoned to STD to cover the last season.
And that's the reason we're getting a Pike show. Anson Mount's and Rebecca Romijn's performances on STD was the one bright spot that the Star Trek watchers liked so they're trying to capitalize on it. Because if STD and STP were popular we'd be getting more seasons of those. Yes, I know Picard is getting a second season, but that's because they bought two seasons straight out. It's like CW's Batwoman, withj the viewership ratings as the lowest of it's ilk, but it's getting at least two more seasons because they got a deal for it from the start.
They don't. The Romulus nova was the event that made Nero create the divergent timeline. It didnt happen in the Kelvin version. Not yet, anyway.Then why do events in the Kelvin timeline affect the Picard series?
Because that's the PRIME timeline that Bad Robot/Secret Hideout created. This is how they want to get their projects to be accepted as 'real' Star Trek, most fans don't buy.Then why do events in the Kelvin timeline affect the Picard series?
This is how they want to get their projects to be accepted as 'real' Star Trek, most fans don't buy.
What does YouTube to do with this? Most industry papers reveal most of this information. And here's the thing, if they audience wants 'Their Version', then maybe they should have made it. This idea that the audience is 'too entitled' is frankly garbage. The AUDIENCE is who determines what's good and what's profitable. And if the Audience doesn't like it, well, sucks to be you, go back to the drawing board and try again.Star Trek has always been politically inspired by the time it is made. In other news, so are almost all tv, movies and literature.
What people didn't like was the same thing they always don't like. They didnt let the show breathe for itself and instead wanted their version.
So instead of old, careworn and 30 years older Picard, they wanted The Inner Light redux. They wanted Best of Both Worlds part 3.
As for funding, I think Amazon outbid everyone else. Much like they did when Clarkson and co left Top Gear.
My advice, leave the YouTube conspiracy theories alone and either enjoy it for what it is, or don't watch.
Either way you'll be happier.
There's a reason the fourth Star Trek movie is in limbo.
Feel free to provide the links to these industry paper articles. But you won't since these exposés don't exist outside your head.What does YouTube to do with this? Most industry papers reveal most of this information. And here's the thing, if they audience wants 'Their Version', then maybe they should have made it. This idea that the audience is 'too entitled' is frankly garbage. The AUDIENCE is who determines what's good and what's profitable. And if the Audience doesn't like it, well, sucks to be you, go back to the drawing board and try again.
Which is, by the way, exactly what CBS is doing with this Pike show, people didn't care for Michael Burnham or Picard so they're trying to recoup the money they spent. It's how they're wooing their investors to give them money for Star Trek. Will it work? Most of the investors have no been happy with how the property has been losing money. There's a reason the fourth Star Trek movie is in limbo.
This is actually a matter of contracts. For the longest time, the split between Paramount and CBS muddied the waters. Paramount owned all the rights to the OLD stuff, which is the movies and everything to about Enterprise, while CBS had the rights to make new Star Trek. But CBS couldn't use the old designs without having to pay Paramount a licensing fee. Which if you know anything about corporations, this is a no bueno. They HATE spending their own money on anything.I guess that's "easier" than actually writing stories and characters that are consistent with the prior series?