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It will be interesting to see if the setting is altered for the audience.My heart aches, the art is gorgeous, but I am a hardcore fan of Tal's system (with a preference for 4E.) It just breaks my heart. An announcement of it coming is here.
My heart aches, the art is gorgeous, but I am a hardcore fan of Tal's system (with a preference for 4E.) It just breaks my heart. An announcement of it coming is here.
...I'd rather get a hardcopy of The Savage Lands setting, instead. I like the art in it, and it's in the original system.My heart aches, the art is gorgeous, but I am a hardcore fan of Tal's system (with a preference for 4E.) It just breaks my heart. An announcement of it coming is here.
Comrade hug? Seriously. I've almost no use for 5E rules. I've played them to death since they came out due to other people's focus on it, but D&D isn't a selling point for me.I literally just expressed these same sentiments in the Talislanta: The Savage Land thread (not realizing this thread existed). Right down to the heartbreak, I am right there with you.
Maybe we see a crash. Talislanta does have a tendency to arrive at a location just as the impending doom comet arrives.Comrade hug? Seriously. I've almost no use for 5E rules. I've played them to death since they came out due to other people's focus on it, but D&D isn't a selling point for me.
I'll also be honest--I know a few people who will pick it up because "Hey, it's different." Most of what I've seen through 5E wise is people playing 5E as 5E for itself, they don't want a new setting. They want to play elves, and dwarves, and half-orcs, and the same old same old thing. Admittedly, I like those things, just not D&D's version of them. Oh, some will play the newer D&D races, usually whatever gives them the best bonuses for their class. Sighs.
I feel we're going to see a D20-like crash soon, I hope not, but even D&D fans sometimes run out of steam in getting new stuff.
It's possible but I don't think it's any more likely than a mtg crash. Just like mtg, individuals will get burned out others will take their place. Hasbro has picked up the pace on publishing but is still well less than one a month. The D20 crash was precipitated by 3.5 screwing over 3rd party publishers; hopefully they've learned from that.I feel we're going to see a D20-like crash soon, I hope not, but even D&D fans sometimes run out of steam in getting new stuff.
Great news!
Not only No Elves but No Trolls! Too!Great news!
...2d20 or PbtA, though? That is the question!
Wonder how they do the "race-as-class-turned-to-11" justice in 5E. But yeah, the first editions where pretty D&D-like, and the power/magic level was high enough, so this might actually be a good fit. And after a while, you can ask the players whether they want to see that really nice alternative system you conveniently have prepared.
It's a lot easier to do when you have a) not that many races and b) not that many class features. Now Talislanta has a lot of a and 5E has a lot of b., and if they want to keep both, it's a multiplicative horror. Then again, with "four EPIC books"...Into the Unknown does 5e race-as-class and it is pretty cool.
I don't know that I'm very good at this, but here goes:Can anyone give me a quick overview of what makes Talislanta so cool?
John Harper didn't design it exactly. I mean the core action table is I believe the same in 1-5th edition.Holy shit. So you're telling me that the John Harper who designed Talislanta 4E is the same John Harper who did Blades in the Dark? How could I not have known that? Well, 4E it is then.
No, he did the 4th Ed game design, I get that, and the editions aren't all that different. I'd just never seen Talislanta connected to him at all and he's not exactly a unknown designer at this point. It's like some just reminded me to check this cool game out, and only after a dramatic pause told me that a designer I really like was the core edition guy for it.John Harper didn't design it exactly. I mean the core action table is I believe the same in 1-5th edition.
If it helps J. Tweet did 3rd editionNo, he did the 4th Ed game design, I get that, and the editions aren't all that different. I'd just never seen Talislanta connected to him at all and he's not exactly a unknown designer at this point. It's like some just reminded me to check this cool game out, and only after a dramatic pause told me that a designer I really like was the core edition guy for it.
That I did know. I also like Tweet a lot as a designer, so I have a couple of reasons to dig in and find out what I'm missing.If it helps J. Tweet did 3rd edition
I think it's due to critical role and other streaming channels, but 5e, more than any version of D&D before it has become something of fandom of its own.Comrade hug? Seriously. I've almost no use for 5E rules. I've played them to death since they came out due to other people's focus on it, but D&D isn't a selling point for me.
I'll also be honest--I know a few people who will pick it up because "Hey, it's different." Most of what I've seen through 5E wise is people playing 5E as 5E for itself, they don't want a new setting. They want to play elves, and dwarves, and half-orcs, and the same old same old thing. Admittedly, I like those things, just not D&D's version of them. Oh, some will play the newer D&D races, usually whatever gives them the best bonuses for their class. Sighs.
I feel we're going to see a D20-like crash soon, I hope not, but even D&D fans sometimes run out of steam in getting new stuff.
I think it's due to critical role and other streaming channels, but 5e, more than any version of D&D before it has become something of fandom of its own.
Yeah, I'd seen a similar thread on a mostly-D&D forum as well. For a lot of people there Traveller and RuneQuest were those new-fanged systems which do everything differently, and that they've never played.Maybe, but I feel that has always been a strong strain in D&D fandom. 1e seems like an edition that attracted a fair number of fanatical types as well.
I recall a poll on a forum dedicated to AD&D asking what everyone's favourite non-D&D classic system was, listing classics like Ghostbusters, Toon and Paranoia, and not only had few been played but there were a bunch of comments that they didn't even know of these games! Not knowing Paranoia and you gamed in the 80s/90s?
I mean, now that I think of it, is there a 5e-dedicated reddit or forum that dogpiles or outright prohibits talk of other editions? We have 2-3 forums on the net dedicated to OD&D, 1e and an even more 'purist' or 'Gygaxian' 1e.
Some are more tolerant of discussion of other editions than others but such schisms in the fandom doesn't suggest more broad-mindedness than one finds in 5e fandom.
Only if your playstyle requires that everyone would know the rules.I think it's a bit inherent to the RPG scene prior to VTTs. You need a group of people to play the game. You need them to commit to multiple sessions. You need to learn the rules. So anytime you need to change any of those things your increasing the chances that the game fails for everyone. That's a good argument for a bit of bullying to constrain a group. It's less important these days but still required
+1 to that.I've played lots of games with one or more players who don't the rules from their asshole. So long as they're willing to learn on the fly, and can manage the idea of playing a character, it works just fine.
Never met those people...GURPS is a game that even people who play don't actually know where the poop hole is. Sad but true.
Sure you have. They seem like they know the rules, but when push comes to shove...Never met those people...