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So, it keeps coming up- why the extreme... "feelings" towards 2d20? Is there a thread somewhere that shows how such inoffensive pablum of a system can inspire such ire?

Thats part of the joke. The system is so average it shouldn’t draw so much attention. It’s a Pub thing and much as anything else now.
 

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So, it keeps coming up- why the extreme... "feelings" towards 2d20? Is there a thread somewhere that shows how such inoffensive pablum of a system can inspire such ire?
Nah don't worry about it, there's plenty of folks here who don't mind the system, even if it's not their favourite system.
Some criticisms are valid, but not to the extent of the public lynching it gets here, but it's just become a thing to bag here

I know if I post something about a good Conan 2D20 session I just ran, then that's like putting a target on my arse for a few days.
It doesn't worry me if some people don't like my cooking, and sometimes its worth doing a 2D20 text dump just to see who you wake up, heh heh

It's a decent game, IMO it's certainly as good if not better than D&D
But it's not my main course either, there are other systems I will die on my sword for
And I'm dubious that Modiphius should be using 2D20 for all these franchises they keep buying; some of them are not pulpy at all, and 2D20 will be an ill fit.
But Conan is cool no matter what. :thumbsup:

I did like Endless Flight Endless Flight 's Ben Kenobi meme 'Before The Dark Times, before 2D20!", that was pretty funny

But it's not all 2D20 Hate here -
We have factions for and against Geese as well, and that runs much, much deeper than 2D20 :grin:
 
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Nah don't worry about it, there's plenty of folks here who don't mind the system, even if it's not their favourite system.
Some criticisms are valid, but not to the extent of the public lynching it gets here, but it's just become a thing to bag here

I know if I post something about a good Conan 2D20 session I just ran, then that's like putting a target on my arse for a few days.
It doesn't worry me if some people don't like my cooking, and sometimes its worth doing a 2D20 text dump just to see who you wake up, heh heh

It's a decent game, IMO it's certainly as good if not better than D&D
But it's not my main course either, there are other systems I will die on my sword for
And I'm dubious that Modiphius should be using 2D20 for all these franchises they keep buying; some of them are not pulpy at all, and 2D20 will be an ill fit.
But Conan is cool no matter what. :thumbsup:

I did like Endless Flight Endless Flight 's Ben Kenobi meme 'Before The Dark Times, before 2D20!", that was pretty funny

But it's not all 2D20 Hate here -
We have factions for and against Geese as well, and that runs much, much deeper than 2D20 :grin:
I need names and addresses of these pro geese people..

2d20 is fine with me. It gets some minus points for being so damn successful at pulling all the licenses that some folks would like to see used with other systems. Sort of a flashback to the early 2000's when everything was d20 compatible!
 

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So, it keeps coming up- why the extreme... "feelings" towards 2d20? Is there a thread somewhere that shows how such inoffensive pablum of a system can inspire such ire?
I'd say a lot of the resentment of the system comes down to it repeatedly securing big licenses that people would rather see done with other systems. I have no strong feelings on the matter myself.
 

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My new Marvel Omnibus arrived today. This is one I've thought they should have done for a LONG time.

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I've had the Uncanny X-Men Vol 4 Omnibus for a couple of weeks now. The Marvel Universe one is the new one. It collects the enitre original run of the Deluxe Handbook of the Marvel Universe from the 80s. But it does lack the Updates that came out for a few years after, which IS sort of a bummer.

Still, it's a MAMMOTH book.

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New Armor Class achieved. Or does it not count since it's not an RPG book?
 

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So, after a quick perusal of the In The Labyrinth hardcover I bought used a while back, I sprung for the I Want It All box. I got free Prime shipping, so I figured that was as good a deal as I was going to get on it. It's very impressive. I read Melee tonight, and played a quick 1-on-1 combat (myself being both of the 1s). I'm going to try to walk myself through it, step myself up, and then spring it on my group. The hardcover has a really warped front cover. SO did the used one I bought, but I figured that's because it was used (and it may have been). But they both have the same odd warp "pattern". Concave middle, with bowed out top and bottom. Weird. I'm not peaking on it, but I don't feel like returning the whole thing, and I'm fairly certain they won't let me do a partial return. *shrug*

Try sending an email to SJG. I had in the Labyrinth and it was mis-bound. They helped out.
 

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Nah don't worry about it, there's plenty of folks here who don't mind the system, even if it's not their favourite system.
Some criticisms are valid, but not to the extent of the public lynching it gets here, but it's just become a thing to bag here

I know if I post something about a good Conan 2D20 session I just ran, then that's like putting a target on my arse for a few days.
It doesn't worry me if some people don't like my cooking, and sometimes its worth doing a 2D20 text dump just to see who you wake up, heh heh

It's a decent game, IMO it's certainly as good if not better than D&D
But it's not my main course either, there are other systems I will die on my sword for
And I'm dubious that Modiphius should be using 2D20 for all these franchises they keep buying; some of them are not pulpy at all, and 2D20 will be an ill fit.
But Conan is cool no matter what. :thumbsup:

I did like Endless Flight Endless Flight 's Ben Kenobi meme 'Before The Dark Times, before 2D20!", that was pretty funny

But it's not all 2D20 Hate here -
We have factions for and against Geese as well, and that runs much, much deeper than 2D20 :grin:
My biggest issue with the 2D20 books aren't mechanics, but instead are about the layout. The books tend to be quite stunning in look. It's just how they go about laying out the mechanics and explaining them. They need someone with a better eye for organizing the books. Better indexes, charts etc.
 

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My new Marvel Omnibus arrived today. This is one I've thought they should have done for a LONG time.

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I've had the Uncanny X-Men Vol 4 Omnibus for a couple of weeks now. The Marvel Universe one is the new one. It collects the enitre original run of the Deluxe Handbook of the Marvel Universe from the 80s. But it does lack the Updates that came out for a few years after, which IS sort of a bummer.

Still, it's a MAMMOTH book.

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New Armor Class achieved. Or does it not count since it's not an RPG book?

I loved and had all those back in the 80s but can't justify that price tag right now.
 

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I loved and had all those back in the 80s but can't justify that price tag right now.
I immediately went to buy it as I am prepping to run Marvel Super Heroes, but that price tag caused me to put it on my wish list instead. I mean, I am pretty sure I'll buy it, but I need to do some performative deliberation first in order to seem like an adult.
 

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My biggest issue with the 2D20 books aren't mechanics, but instead are about the layout. The books tend to be quite stunning in look. It's just how they go about laying out the mechanics and explaining them. They need someone with a better eye for organizing the books. Better indexes, charts etc.
And my issue is how they're trying to shoe horn a system in all settings with no care that it won't work with them.
 

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And my issue is how they're trying to shoe horn a system in all settings with no care that it won't work with them.
I'd like to have had the experience with it to know whether or not "shoe horning" was an issue, but I've found no one to play it with in my area pre pandemic. My experience is only with buying and reading through Conan, John Carter, Mutant Chronicles, Infinity and Star Trek. Hmm I think I've developed a collector's addiction. Lol
 

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I immediately went to buy it as I am prepping to run Marvel Super Heroes, but that price tag caused me to put it on my wish list instead. I mean, I am pretty sure I'll buy it, but I need to do some performative deliberation first in order to seem like an adult.

Why not just print what you need from Classic Marvel Forever?
 

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I'd like to have had the experience with it to know whether or not "shoe horning" was an issue, but I've found no one to play it with in my area pre pandemic. My experience is only with buying and reading through Conan, John Carter, Mutant Chronicles, Infinity and Star Trek. Hmm I think I've developed a collector's addiction. Lol
There are two in that list that do not work: Conan and Star Trek. The Universe (By way of Momentum mechanic) does not care in Conan. it doesn't 'work' against the players. The players succeed because they are bigger and tougher, or they run. The universe does not conspire against people.

In Star Trek, they don't get problems thrown at them by their actions. Again, the Universe is a neutral force, it doesn't twist and turn because some great deity bargains with the heroes.
 

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And my issue is how they're trying to shoe horn a system in all settings with no care that it won't work with them.

Has any designer or IP-holder been concerned with whether someone else thinks something will work? If they make the system, I'd assume they think it will work.
 
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Why not just print what you need from Classic Marvel Forever?
Good idea.

Speaking of printing things out...
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There are two in that list that do not work: Conan and Star Trek. The Universe (By way of Momentum mechanic) does not care in Conan. it doesn't 'work' against the players. The players succeed because they are bigger and tougher, or they run. The universe does not conspire against people.

In Star Trek, they don't get problems thrown at them by their actions. Again, the Universe is a neutral force, it doesn't twist and turn because some great deity bargains with the heroes.
The Hyborian Age is gritty and uncaring, yet often the central characters are very pulpy

To this extent I find Conan 2D20 actually works well in play because it does feel tactile and gritty, yet the Momentum Pt mechanic lends itself well to cinematic actions. Not sure if it can portray post- original era Star Trek however. DUNE even less so.

The Conan 2D20 core book is challenging to navigate at the gaming table, that is a big detractor.

I also feel that it was an unecessary mechanic having GM Doom Pts to offset to offset the PC Momentum Pts . This has not enhanced my role as a GM, and could potentially detract from it.

Despite that I've had alot of fun recently running Conan 2D20.
 
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The Hyborian Age is gritty and uncaring, yet often the central characters are very pulpy

To this extent I find Conan 2D20 actually works well in play because it does feel tactile and gritty, yet the Momentum Pt mechanic lends itself well to cinematic actions. Not sure if it can portray post- Original Era Star Trek however. DUNE even less so.

The Conan 2D20 core book is challenging to navigate at the gaming table, that is a big detractor.

I also feel that it was an unecessary mechanic having GM Doom Pts to offset to offset the PC Momentum Pts . This has not enhanced my role as a GM, and could potentially detract from it.

Despite that I've had alot of fun recently running Conan 2D20.
And those are my main issues. Also, players are notoriously risk averse.
 

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And those are my main issues. Also, players are notoriously risk averse.
Yeah I'm starting to find that myself. Especially because the default is they always get to act first in combat, and any rolls of ties in opposed rolls (Struggles) are always in their favour

The standard NPCs in the quickstart have combat skills significantly less than the PCs. I dont mind that they can take less Wounds, but the fact is they tend to hit much less, with PCs often spending a Momentum Pt on the chance to Parry

I have had 4-5 sessions so far, each with 1-2 combat scenes. No PC even slightly injured yet.

I have been saving Doom Pts up to make things more challenging in the climatic session, so that should flip things about a fair bit. However I'm not sure I like having to conserve some NPC actions early on just to have more opportunitiee in the climax.

I guess I'll just see how it goes in the next session

It's not a bad system, but I have game engines that I favour better. Still, we are having fun.
 
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My tastes are nothing if not eclectic!

I hope you'll post something about The Clay that Woke when you've had a chance to read and/or run it. It looks very interesting.

My tastes, I fear, are more predictable. I took advantage of the GM's Day Sale to pick up some BRP supplements I'd been missing:

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Again Kevin Crawford/Sine Nomine delivers - Worlds Without Number just hit my inbox!

Free Edition: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/348809/Worlds-Without-Number-Free-Edition
Deluxe Edition: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/348791/Worlds-Without-Number

Ordering the dead tree version soonish!

I'm really disappointed that I missed this Kickstarter. Not sure how as I have alerts set up for Kevin. He's one of those creators I try to support no matter what.
 

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I hope you'll post something about The Clay that Woke when you've had a chance to read and/or run it. It looks very interesting.

My tastes, I fear, are more predictable. I took advantage of the GM's Day Sale to pick up some BRP supplements I'd been missing:

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I was thinking I should start a thread on The Clay that Woke once I've at least read it.
 

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I hope you'll post something about Ghosts of Albion. I've been interested in the game, though not enough to pick it up.
I'd have no problem doing that. I'm in the middle of a "Strange Tales of Songling + Righteous Blood, Ruthless Blades" game at the moment, so it'd be a while until I'd have actual play experience, but I could throw up a reading impression as such.
 

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I'd have no problem doing that. I'm in the middle of a "Strange Tales of Songling + Righteous Blood, Ruthless Blades" game at the moment, so it'd be a while until I'd have actual play experience, but I could throw up a reading impression as such.

Definitely be interested to learn more about Ghosts of Albion. :smile:
 
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