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Mention of F.I.S.T. reminded me of this old comedy skit:Or the wonderfully named Steve Jackson's F.I.S.T. (Fantasy Interactive Scenarios by Telephone)
It was the world's first (and only?) “interactive telephone role-playing game”.
This, I’ll wager
Recently revised as a stage show with audience participation. A retro clone RPG game show!
He was great, such flare!Of course, if you want an example of televised DM'ing, you want Richard O' Brien in The Crystal Maze, who pulls off just the right mix of encouragement, scene-setting, flow, and giving absolutely no fucks whatsoever when the players mess it all up.
I believe I own three copies, two originals in print and the PDF from Arion Games.John Blanche is an amazing fantasy artist, right there alongside Erol Otus. Did anyone own Titan - The Fighting Fantasy World book?
Knightmare was awesome, and brutal. A show about kids, being sent on a D&D adventure, but it pulled no punches
I had a tattered old copy of Titan: The FF Worldbook, as well as the FF Dungeoneer Corebook and the FF Out Of The Pit Bestiary. Absolutely loved the artwork, it made the setting come alive. I loved the folkloric flavour, with liberal dashes of Brian Froud, Terry Pratchet, and a touch of Fritz Lieber.John Blanche is an amazing fantasy artist, right there alongside Erol Otus. Did anyone own Titan - The Fighting Fantasy World book?
Oh gawd that's a shame. I think a lot of us have terrible stories about parents getting rid of gaming stuff. I've got a doozy. My mom sent me away to a week-long religious camp when I was 13 where they fucking burned my 1st edition D&D books while I was in the woods making out with a girl camper I met. Even though I was a streetwise kid I never saw that one coming; I hauled those books damn near everywhere to stave off boredom. Needless to say, it made an apostate out of me.I packed them away when I went away to Uni, and my parents thought they were my 'childish things' and cashed them at a second-hand bookstore when they moved house!
I'm American but even as a kid I thought Titan was way cooler than Greyhawk. I mean come on, look at the artwork!I totally love the World of Titan, in much the same way as others have fond memories of the World of Greyhawk.
The artwork was essential to the FF line, and fit like a glove to the setting material. I love how Titan feels very fable-like, yet doesn't take itself seriously.
Oh gawd that's a shame. I think a lot of us have terrible stories about parents getting rid of gaming stuff. I've got a doozy. My mom sent me away to a week-long religious camp when I was 13 where they fucking burned my 1st edition D&D books while I was in the woods making out with a girl camper I met. Even though I was a streetwise kid I never saw that one coming; I hauled those books damn near everywhere to stave off boredom. Needless to say, it made an apostate out of me.
This, I’ll wager
Recently revised as a stage show with audience participation. A retro clone RPG game show!
Please correct me if I am wrong but I have always imagined the UK as distinctly more more secular or religiously moderate than "The Colonies" since the Restoration.I think this shows that the 'satanic panic' hysteria wasn't big in the UK
This is dangerously near to politics so I'll be a bit careful, but yes and no. On one hand we have a state religion, on the other it's Church of England who tend towards being wooly rather than fire and brimstone.Please correct me if I am wrong but I have always imagined the UK as distinctly more more secular or religiously moderate than "The Colonies" since the Restoration.
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I often get the impression anywhere in the west is more secular and religiously moderate. But I'm sure reality is a bit more nuanced.Please correct me if I am wrong but I have always imagined the UK as distinctly more more secular or religiously moderate than "The Colonies" since the Restoration.
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There were some bloody terrifying kids' T.V. shows in the UK in the 70s. As well as Doctor Who going through its 'gothic' phase I also remember...
Escape Into Night (an adaptation of Catherine Storr's novel Marianne Dreams later made into the film Paperhouse).
King of the Castle - described by one of the writers as "Kafka for kids".
Children of The Stones - rural horror, sort of The Wicker Man for kids. The theme tune alone was the stuff of nightmares.
I think grimdark is just part of our cultural dna
Please correct me if I am wrong but I have always imagined the UK as distinctly more more secular or religiously moderate than "The Colonies" since the Restoration.
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Please correct me if I am wrong but I have always imagined the UK as distinctly more more secular or religiously moderate than "The Colonies" since the Restoration.
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Please correct me if I am wrong but I have always imagined the UK as distinctly more more secular or religiously moderate than "The Colonies" since the Restoration.
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from the blurb said:Crypts and Things (C&T) is a Swords and Sorcery Roleplaying game based upon the Old School Rules of the 70s/80s. It also draws upon the British fantasy games and game-books of that period to bring a distinctly dark and dangerous feel to the game.
There was an interview with a new GW artist in one issue of White Dwarf, and he was lamenting how hard it was to work with Blanche. You spend all day drawing a picture of a Space Marine, and it's pretty good, you can be justifiably proud of it. Then you look over and see John, and he's drawn a Space Marine, along with the entire Siege of Terra in the background.John Blanche is an amazing fantasy artist, right there alongside Erol Otus. Did anyone own Titan - The Fighting Fantasy World book?
There's a distinct satirical grimness to quite a lot of british 80's sci-fi and fantasy stuff. In particular, I've always felt that SLA Industries (Which misses the time period, but was wrote by people growing up in it) and Paranoia have quite a lot in common, as takes on the seeming futility of everyday life.Friends from the UK told me it hardly noted a mention over there, they had lots of other stuff going on that was more pressing in the media. Lot's of social upheavel, anti-Thatcher riots etc. Fantasy rpgs with demonic antagonists weren't seen as much of an issue to the youth.
Knightmare was ITV (One of the two free-to-air commercial stations at the time), not BBC The BBC's kids TV stuff was a lot "safer" and "boring", generally inconsequential game shows with gunge tanks at the end.Oh wow, I remember when ABC Australia ran some reruns of this little BBC gem.
I think this shows that the 'santanic panic' hysteria wasn't big in the UK, otherwise BBC wouldn't have ran a game show emulating the fantasy rpg genre.
Great stuff
Knightmare was ITV (One of the two free-to-air commercial stations at the time), not BBC The BBC's kids TV stuff was a lot "safer" and "boring", generally inconsequential game shows with gunge tanks at the end.
Yes. Print and pdfJohn Blanche is an amazing fantasy artist, right there alongside Erol Otus. Did anyone own Titan - The Fighting Fantasy World book?
Ghostwatch is another good one, maybe not intentionally aimed at kids but it did stir up a bunch of controversy for scaring the snot out them.There were some bloody terrifying kids' T.V. shows in the UK in the 70s. As well as Doctor Who going through its 'gothic' phase I also remember...
Oh gawd that's a shame. I think a lot of us have terrible stories about parents getting rid of gaming stuff. I've got a doozy. My mom sent me away to a week-long religious camp when I was 13 where they fucking burned my 1st edition D&D books while I was in the woods making out with a girl camper I met.
Sadly. no. I saw her a couple more times after the camp but lost interest for reasons I don't recall. I really miss those 1st edition books and never replaced them.There does seem to be an upside to this story
Well, it's sometimes hard to tell nerdiness from eccentricity!Nerdy pursuits are much bigger in the UK than anywhere else I've seen - you get surprisingly big wargaming tournaments in really out-of-the-way places and are a lot more traditional 'nerd' pursuits like model railways or historical re-enactment societies. Only in the UK could a company selling wargaming miniatures establish a huge chain of high street shops in the way Games Workshop has. In the 15 years or so I've lived here I don't think I've ever lived more than a few miles away from the nearest GW shop. If he-who-shall-not-be-named ever calls upon me to to sacrifice a virgin it's not going to be hard to find one.
Hey, that was nasty! And also shows why drastic measures backfire...Oh gawd that's a shame. I think a lot of us have terrible stories about parents getting rid of gaming stuff. I've got a doozy. My mom sent me away to a week-long religious camp when I was 13 where they fucking burned my 1st edition D&D books while I was in the woods making out with a girl camper I met. Even though I was a streetwise kid I never saw that one coming; I hauled those books damn near everywhere to stave off boredom. Needless to say, it made an apostate out of me.
Well, I'm a backer. And I liked it enough to be glad I backed....unlike, may I add, a couple*** other KS campaigns.Any love for Crypts and Things? Ages ago I wrote a review where I identified a lot of callbacks to classic British RPGs of the 80s, and the product description explicitly states as much:
One of the interesting things about The Lords of Midnight or Chaos: The Battle of Wizards was those games really did show how a lot of the same people making ZX Spectrum games had grown up on wargames and RPGs. They were pretty much direct attempts to recreate that in a video game format. (And Games Workshop published the latter. Because everyone was publishing Spectrum games back then. Even British Telecom had its own publishing wing and was surprisingly good at that).Folks, this is really brilliant stuff, thank you for all your input / memories! I've got plenty of things to chew on here.
If I can add one other ingredient to the mix (and this was something that the Fighting Fantasist brought up in his blog post about the British Old-School): British computer games.
Back in the 1980s, because of how expensive imported games from the US and Japan were (not to mention the hardware to run it) and because slapping together a game was relatively cheap (compared to the multi-million-dollar budgets of AAA games today), there was a thriving cottage industry of British video games. I missed the 8-bit microprocessor era, so my memories are all PC vs Amiga, but I'm sure lots of people here have memories of things like The Lords of Midnight (1984) or Chaos: The Battle of Wizards (1985).
My own memories of British video gaming come from things like Shadow of the Beast (1989), Syndicate (1993), Cannon Fodder (1993), and UFO: Enemy Unknown (1994). I remember finding the art style in stuff like Shadow of the Beast very weird (and a bit disturbing). Definitely evoking the same fantasy art style from the FF gamebooks.
Play Journey's End. The first part is ok, the second part is amazing and the third part is a bit weak.Indeed! GW published a bunch of Speccy games back in the day, including Journey's End, Runestone, Tower of Despair, and Hero Quest (the latter being the only one I actually played myself, albeit the DOS port).
I also remember the old Space Hulk (1993) game on PC being so terrifying I couldn't get through it.
I think I'm going to have to grab myself that emulator you linked to and have an explore...
My experience, and that of people I’ve asked who are old enough, is that the Satanic Panic was generally a Fundamentalist/Evangelical Protestant thing, and when Catholic’s bought in, it was more regional and rural, where priest’s quoted the OT rather than the New.Whereas my parents figured it was a great way to get kids to read and do math voluntarily and stay out of trouble, and could not have cared less about drawings of devils and lists of make-believe spells. I think my dad thought it was a pretty goofy way to spend time and that we should have been pretending to be El Cid or the Cisco Kid instead. The nuns at Catholic school also had no issue with AD&D in my neck of the woods.
You mean, the ones that GW were selling themselves and thus had a somewhat vested interest in supporting?What surprises me a bit is that from my memory of White Dwarf, it covered relatively little of the unique UK RPGs, focusing mostly on D&D, Traveller, and RuneQuest with dabbling in other games. But maybe I just skimmed over some articles and don't remember them (happy to be pointed to specific issues, I have a complete collection from issue 1 to 60 or so).
Advanced Fighting Fantasy was well after the glory days of the Dwarf. Its coverage of Dragon Warriors was very sparse and I don't remember it ever covering Maelstrom.What surprises me a bit is that from my memory of White Dwarf, it covered relatively little of the unique UK RPGs, focusing mostly on D&D, Traveller, and RuneQuest with dabbling in other games. But maybe I just skimmed over some articles and don't remember them (happy to be pointed to specific issues, I have a complete collection from issue 1 to 60 or so).
Frank
Ah, well then that would explain it. I definitely miss the early magazines. And now there's so many different fanzines, and my budget is limited...Advanced Fighting Fantasy was well after the glory days of the Dwarf. Its coverage of Dragon Warriors was very sparse and I don't remember it ever covering Maelstrom.
The games actually published by Games Workshop (WFRP, Golden Heroes, Judge Dredd) were so heavily covered that they got complaints.
For the period we're talking about, I think most of your White Dwarfs are actually a bit earlier, before most of the classic Brit rpgs were released.