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And why was I not informed about this? If it was TristramEvans TristramEvans, I want to lodge a formal complaint against him for self moderation.

If not, I strongly suggest a change in policy when it comes to informing people
 

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The system should have sent you an email, Steve.

We have a policy that any moderation complaints are to be filed in this forum and not in other forums. Any posts that do so will be deleted as soon as they are caught.
 

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Can we change the modbot icon to a goose?
 

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The system should have sent you an email, Steve.

We have a policy that any moderation complaints are to be filed in this forum and not in other forums. Any posts that do so will be deleted as soon as they are caught.
If I got an email, my spam filters ate it.

As for a moderation complaints, I wasn't complaining about moderation. [redacted personal attacks]

I would like to request that from this date (15th January 2021), [Tristram] doesnt respond to any posts I make and I will do the same for him. And he will also refrain from indirect mockery of me, that stupid bingo card he made to insult me and all other forms of derogatory or inflammatory comments regarding me or anything I might post. And i will show him the same level of courtesy he shows me.

[redacted personal attacks]
 
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Done and done

I will no longer acknowledge or respond to Stevethulhu's posts except in regards to any necessary moderation, and he is no longer allowed to respond to my posts directly or indirectly.
 

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Stevethulhu said:
You are not supposed to interact with me. Ince again, I find your moderation suspect. And I know you won't do anything about this because I never get feedback.

Oh, and the rules are no politics. Saying everyone should get along and the blatant warring between posters should have a one drawn under them isn't politics, the last time I looked.

Allright, you wanted feedback. Here's the feedback.

You aren't above the rules and casting shade at me isn't a "get out of jail" card for you to flagrantly ignore the rules and then play the victim.

The resolution above? That wasn't you being given the ability to dictate rules to the moderators. That was me being amenable to simply ignoring you. And what does it very clearly say as a caveat? I'll quote it again since you appear to have not gotten it the first time:

TristramEvans said:
I will no longer acknowledge or respond to Stevethulhu's posts except in regards to any necessary moderation

I'll also quote for you the very specific rules of the thread you got a threadban from:

TristramEvans said:
1. Let's start with an assumption of good faith. Yeah, I know there's histry. I know there's posters here who really don't like each other, or at least dislike the opinions others have on this subject. But if we don't start from the assumption that people's responses are made in honesty and without a secret agenda, there's no point in discourse.

2. Leave the stuff that happens off the Pub off the Pub. OK, so maybe you encountered someone who said something somewhere, or you've heard some group express some opinion and it gets your goat. We get it. But unless it's something people actually present can account for or respond to, it serves no purpose to bring up. By that same token, try not to speak in generalities or group people together. We're all individuals with our own opinions, and everyone can speak for themselves.

3. Don't use any terminology without providing your definition. It just leads t continued assumptions and miscommunication. We're talking about stuff far too nerdy and too specialized to have a common dictionary definition to fall back on. In that respect, don't attack or argue with people over their definitions, that will get us nowhere and just take the conversation in circles. The point is not the terms themselves, it's understanding what a person means when they use them.

4. By that same token, part of acting in good faith is, once you know how a poster is using a term, respond to their points or arguments on those terms, not your own.

5. Obvious logical fallacies - goal-post shifting, strawmen, appeals to popularity etc. won't be tolerated. These are also bad-faith arguments. If you need a refresher on these here: https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/common-logical-fallacies. However, likewise, if you think a person is engaging in a fallacy or bad faith argument - let the mods arbitrate that, don't try to argue it with them.

6. If you find yoursef getting angry, or otherwise emotionally upset, step back, tae a breather, and remember none of this matters - at all. It may be you cannot change anyone's mind. The point here is for everyone to have the opportunity to communicate their POV and to foster understanding. Agreement isn't a necessary part of that. If you feel like you're arguing against a brick wall, just walk away. As long as you've clearly laid out your position, that's all that matters. there's no winners or losers. None of this affects your life or how you game.

7. Don't expect other posters to bend over backwards to reassure you that your PoV or your opinions are "Okay". You should already know this and not need anyone to tell you this. A person expressing their opinions and preferences should not be defacto interpreted as an attack on your own.

8. Jennifer Aniston and Brain Damage Boy don't need to be named or discussed. We already know their opinions, and the arguments they've made. This thread isn't about them.

9. No personal attacks, no group attacks.

10. As is probably implied, this thread will be more heavily moderated than usual. If you are upset with a mod call, then recall the Site and community forum is the right place to discuss that, and mods aren't obliged to put up with abuse anymore than any other poster.

That thread, clearly labelled as a Mod+ thread, indicating a different level of moderation applies, which was then made very clear several times throughout the thread on top of the OP, you dropped into twice to threadcrap saying that the discussion the thread is based upon shouldn't be taking place at all. The first time, you lucked out with simply a warning from Endless. The second time, you got a very lenient day-long threadban. If another moderator had gotten there first, you would have been permanently booted, but I was going easy on you on the assumption that maybe you simply hadn't bothered to read the OP. You know, one of those assumptions of good faith that your own posts were completely devoid of?

Instead you made it very clear that you simply think those rules don't apply to you. But then that's how this thread started, didn't it? Another case where you blatantly broke a rule, that time one we both knew you were very much aware of, and when your post was removed because of that, you tried to cry "mod bias" as an excuse. To be clear, you launched into a rant about how I was a horrible moderator and toxic influence on the board, because I disagreed with you about the definition of "canon" in a Star Wars thread. And hell, we didn't even say you weren't allowed to do that, we simply said you had to make any criticisms of moderation in the appropriate forum.

There isn't an excuse Steve. You not wanting to accept responsibility for breaking a rule isn't something that's a problem with me. And thinking you can dictate when and who gets to moderate you when you break the rules is a sense of entitlement that needs to be dropped post haste.

As indicated by the other thread, "A Change in Moderation" policy, while we wre discussing this bacjstage, Endless simply had enough of us bending over backwads to accomodate you. So the accomodation I made just to satisfy you is now out the window. Your attempt to take advantage of that is the straw that broke that camel's back. As one mod put it, "imagine him trying to argue a moderator shouldn't be allowed to interact with him on TBP". The moderation on the Pub is so slight, we are so open to both citicism and hearing out poster's PoV, and we are so reluctant to ban anyone here, that the fact you continually are running into issues with it, you really should consider, is your issue more than the board's.

And, I get that the truth of The Pub is, it's going to be very hard on any poster who takes personal issue with me. I'm one of the most active posters by a wide margin (only Dumarest ever posted more), and I'm involved in, not all, but most of the threads at some point. If you have a personal problem with me, it's very hard to also be an active poster here.

But your calls of "self moderation" aren't going to work as an excuse for your own behaviour. I didn't moderate me, I moderated you. When you broke the rules. Completely in my compacity as moderator. And the belief that because you were personally insulting me at the time that somehow gives you a free pass doesn't stand up to any logical scrutiny. The truth is, there is no time you were moderated by myself, ever, that anyone else looking at the situation thought that you were in any way treated unfairly. If anything, I've been excessively accomodating, and if the end result of that accomodation is this? Well, that's where it has to stop.

I've no doubt you're going to take this post as an attack, and I'm certainly not mincing words calling you out, but you should, if you want to continue to be a part of this community, take it as a wake up call. A lot of your posts are just fine, but periodically you get a bug up your ass about something and you become unecessarily excessively hostile, resorting to personal attacks, and even stooping to outright dishonesty to win some internet argument. And most of the time it's given a pass. But when a moderator, any moderator, including myself, puts on his Mod hat and takes one of your posts to task, you're going to have to just accept that. That's our job. It's not a personal vendetta against you, it's not a corrupt abuse of authority, it's you being held to the same standards as everyone else for the good of The Pub as a whole, because the only thing any Moderator here wants, myself included, is a friendly forum where we can shoot the shit about a hobby we all enjoy. And I can't imagine why you can't be a part of that.
 
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You want to be treated as a moderator, stop attacking posters and act like a moderator. You have a habit of attacking the poster, not the post.

You moderate issues where you are one side of the dispute. In other words, you are part the problem, as well as being judge and jury for the issue you are involved in. Which makes you massively unprofessional. It also makes the rest of the moderators and admins look weak. And is the cause of my accusations of your self moderation. If you can't see it, and the rest of the staff can't, there's a systemic problem.

The simple fact is, nobody else has ever moved, edited or deleted anything I have posted. Also, none of the moderators on here, or any other forum I've been a member of, have made personal attacks against me. And yet you feel he need to repeatedly and publicly humiliate me. And then claim some kind of moral high ground for the fact that you're acting like a cyberbully.

A bully that gets tacit permission for his gross misconduct as a face of the forum from the admins.

You want to moderate me, fine. You want to shitpost stuff like this, taking a private report and making it public, that shows your true colours. And when you post things like this:


Let's just say that if I was an admin on a site where a moderator posted something like this about a forum member, that moderator would be severely reprimanded and probably fired if it was part of a consistent pattern of behaviour. Which it is.

And if you did it on TBP, you'd probably get a permanent ban, too.

On here? One rule for you, another for me.

I'm yet to be proved wrong about that feeling.

So for those who are even slightly interested, this kind of abusive, humiliating, conduct is my problem with TristramEvans TristramEvans.

The fact that you took my assertion that the only difference between the types of games is one of perception on the part of the person playing those games as bad faith, despite that being agreed with by a few posters who were very active in the thread, shows that you do in fact have issues with me. The fact that you then decided to air this particular load of dirty laundry in public is more evidence of that.

Obviously you don't want to see a Gripping Hand introduced to a discussion.

I don't trust you. I don't trust you not to edit this post or to turn it into yet another public humiliation in your relentless drive to put me down.

I dont want or expect preferential treatment. I would like people other than the mod who has repeatedly and clearly demonstrated a hostile attitude towards me to be involved in the process of moderating issues I may be involved in. There is zero impartiality at the moment. There is only TristramEvans, moderating things he has escalated and handing out punishments or humiliating the person he has issues with.

Which puts me in a position of not trusting the rest of the staff, as nobody else is taking charge of this mess. And puts the forum in a bad place, too. Look how many disputes that 18 months ago would have been friendly disagreements, have turned into open hostility. You can't tell me that a mod openly mocking posters, and worse, isn't contributing to the atmosphere here. I've helped run Five Rings Online, where similar problems occurred. It gets ugly and has the potential to snowball out of control.

To sum up, if you want to my respect, earn it back. You want to ban me, just do it. Otherwise, leave me alone. You don't have to be sole arbiter of my conduct. Last time I checked, there were other staff here. Ones that haven't demonstrated a need to humiliate and demean me.

Let them play, too.
 

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You want to be treated as a moderator

No, I dont even know what that means. I am a moderator here, that's simply the situation. It doesn't require your trust or approval.

You obviously have your own ideas of what that means or should entail, but ultimately that choice is up to Endless and us as a group.

I'll deal with your other criticisms later.
 

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Steve, some of the staff have suggested coming down harder on you than Tristram for recent posts. What do you want? I think you’ve gotten plenty of leeway to change some of your behavior. We aren’t asking for a lot.
 

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I don't mind being named as one of the members of staff pushing for a more hardline approach.

Steve, for the record I a) told Tristam he'd been over lenient in that thread (if I'd handled it you'd have got a perma threadban) and b) suggested that at the very least you should be told to strongly consider leaving the forum. (You don't like the moderation and that's not changing. An increasing number of your posts are you complaining about how you don't like how the forum is run. You've claimed you're leaving several times and then gone back on it. All of that, in my view, suggests you might well be happier somewhere else or possibly setting up your own forum).

Funnily enough, one of the main people arguing against me on those things and suggesting a more leniant tack was Tristam.

At the very least, I'd say that your complaints that other moderators aren't moderating you enough might not actually lead to the result you may be hoping for.
 

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Steve has obviously got it in his head that I have a personal vendetta against him, so when I moderate him the reaction is that it's me using my position to persecute him. I don't know how to disavow him of that notion, but I think I've bent over backwards enough being accomodating to him while still maintaining my role as moderator that there isn't much I could do at this point. Yeah, I did defend against flat out telling Steve maybe he should leave. Every bit of moderating we do here - even the stuff he complains about like removing/moving posts or threadbans - is in lieu of the way things are handled at other forums, where folks are simply banned. I find that's very extreme and often unfair, and shortsighted.
 

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Well, initially I didn't read all of Steve's post, because I could tell with a quick scan it was more of the same, and I figured Icould respond later. And then I just put it off, because who needs that crap, the rest of the Pub is more important, but I figure I'll respond now, while the Pub is slow.

So, lessee...
You have a habit of attacking the poster, not the post.

No not really. You certainly have that habit. The post that this thread was over was certainly a doozie...

Stevethulhu said:
you are nothing more than an argumentative prick who doesn't deserve the position of minor authority you hold. And who is actively contributing to turning this place from a friendly, welcoming discussion board into an actively hostile environment where people regularly take a swing at each other.

The RPG Pub, not a pint and a chat in a decent bar anymore. It's spit and sawdust, broken furniture and cracked glasses. Waiting for the next brawl. And that is in no small part down to you.

So, hypocrisy is one of those things that really annoys me. Especially when it's really blatant like this. But it also somewhat baffles me when combined with projection - a term from psychology when people project their own flaws onto others. Because I have to wonder, is it not as obvious to you as it is to everyone seeing this? Or, are you aware and you just think, for some reason, you are pulling the wool over people's eyes? I dunno, the questions are mostly rhetorical, just, maybe something to think about.


Stevethulhu said:
You moderate issues where you are one side of the dispute.

Yeah, this is your fallback claim. But, as I said before, it doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny. That example above of you blatantly breaking a rule? That's not a dispute between us; it's a binary proposition. You broke the rule. Because you decided to insult me personally while breaking the rule doesn't mean there's anything to dispute. If it had been a different time of day, I probably would have asked another mod to do it. But that was definitely not necessary.

To actually make a convincing argument that personal bias played any part in you getting moderated, you'd have to prove, or even at least have a justifiable reason for believing, that any other moderator would have handled it differently. And Endless's first response in this thread should pretty much have confirmed otherwise.

As I said previously, you seem to think that by insulting me, that's some magical free pass that should prevent me from moderating you. I've no idea why you convinced yourself of this, but then, I think at this point it would be an extreme extension of the benefit of the doubt that you actually believe the accusations your putting forth. I don't, really, you've already shown yourself to be dishonest.

That and, well, your only other example of my Mod Bias is when I specifically provided you with a venue and an invitation to voice your criticisms of me.

Damn, I wish we could get that level of "corruption" from our governments, the world would be a much better place.

Also interesting to note there that, despite that opportunity, you were never actually even able to back up the claim you made. Funny that.

Stevethulhu said:
The simple fact is, nobody else has ever moved, edited or deleted anything I have posted.

So that means...you've never broken a rule? Or simply that I was the first one to deal with you? Wonder if there might be some other, really good explanation for that...

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But then, as Black Leaf already pointed out, if another mod had stepped in first, I don't think the outcome would have been as better for you as you seem to imply...

Stevethulhu said:
Also, none of the moderators on here, or any other forum I've been a member of, have made personal attacks against me. And yet you feel he need to repeatedly and publicly humiliate me. And then claim some kind of moral high ground for the fact that you're acting like a cyberbully.

A bully that gets tacit permission for his gross misconduct as a face of the forum from the admins.

You want to moderate me, fine. You want to shitpost stuff like this, taking a private report and making it public, that shows your true colours. And when you post things like this:

Welp, that's a lot to unpack. Let me start with the latter...yes, we decided the best way to handle this was in public. I prefer that. Straightforward honesty in these sorts of dealings. I'm not sure what you wanted to hide, in regards to this report, but if you think it makes you look bad....well, yes. It does. Just like your behaviour in that thread made you look bad. Just like the constant accusations that you can't back up make you look bad. Just as your blatant hypocrisy makes you look bad. Just like your pattern of behaviour her on The Pub...has made you look bad. To the point where there are people here that straight up want to ban you as a toxic influence. And I've wavered between being lenient, and thinking you simply aren't worth the bother of any empathy. You see, regardless of what you believe I have dealt with you with a degree of empathy. You've been a poster here a long time and 75% of the time you are just fine as a poster. Moreover, I am aware of the difficulties you've gone through over the last year at home that you shared. I don't think that excuses your behaviour on the forum, but it was the motivation for the great amount of leeway I granted you.

But let's go on to your other examples of me....um, cyberbullying you.

First off, you claimed this response...

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...is me "mocking" you because of an autcorrect feature. I've reread it several times and I don't see anything mocking whatsoever about it. I simply said I didn't know what you meant by those words. Even knowing now that what you were trying to say was garbled by autocorrect, I still don't know what you initially were intending to write. It's simply not clear to me via context. And I think you have to be jumping through hoops to read some nefarious implications into the statement "I'm not sure what - blah - was meant to mean". There's nothing inherently derrogatory or derisive in that sentance. It's simply a case of you assuming some ill intent, all on your own.

And the other example is ...lol, the Eläytyminen Bingo:

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I have to say, I'm rather amused by how much offense you claim to take to this, because 1) frankly, it clearly borders on self-deprecating on my part, and more importantly 2) it's pretty much all your own words. Anyways let's take that sequence of events step by step...

1) responding to a completely unrelated post I made wherein I happened to use the term eläytyminen, you for some reason were upset by that and claimed that I was "inventing jargon that means exactly what established words already mean", assuming that eläytyminen is a synonym for engrossment

2) I responded to this pointing out how the definition of engrossment isn't a synonym for what I was discussng and gave the practical reasons that the term was useful in fostering communication and clearing up misconceptions

3) At which point you became hostile and insulting, claimed my post was "bullshit" and an attempt to be "highbrow" (which you clearly meant as an insult even if I didn't really take it as one). You then go on, bizarrly, to claim that I am ascribing " semi mystical states of mind to the simple act of being lost in the moment", which is your first strawman argument.

4) I respond by calmly explaining, more thoroughly, why engrossment isn't an adequate synonym for the concept that I'm describing and reiterate the necessity for a term that avoids misunderstadings, and politely express my confusion regarding your "semi-mystical states of mind comment". In regards to your attempt to insult me, I state plainly " I don't see anything especially highbrow about adopting an appropriate term already used by one group of roleplayers in order to foster precision of language, counter misunderstandings, and engender clarity when it comes to communication. But you're free to feel that way, I'm not one to shy away from a bit of elitism, especially when it comes to philology."

In other words, I couldn't be more accomodating and patient with your rudeness and ad hominems.

At this point several other posters also attempt to nicely explain to you why "engrossment" is not fit to purpose.

5) So you decide to buckle down on your insult, and then, bizarrely, compare DIC immersion to some experience you had taking drugs once. (?) At this point I kinda wondered if you were on drugs while making these posts... And, you introduce your second strawman argument: " And you cant tell me that being lost in the moment to the point of reaching some kind of state of expanded consciousness isnt giving it semi mystical connotations. "

6) at this point I am pretty certain that whatever I'm thinking of when I use the term eläytyminen bears no resemblance to whatever you've been describing up to this point, so my response is a bit shorter and to the point. I gently let you know that I didn't make the claim that composed the strawman fallacy in your previous response, and I try to point out that this semi-mystical whatever nonsense is entirely something you are bringing to the discussion, not based on anything I've said...

7) And, then you go off the deep end. Your next post is a hysterical string of personal attacks and accusations. One of course is the accusation that I am "gatekeeping" I think I can confidently say now that people like you throwing the term around in a situation like this is why I no longer take that word even slightly seriously. But what you did to really throw out any benefit of the doubt or assumption of good faith was to straight-up lie by providing a link to a previous post of mine from another thread and, beyond saying that my explanation was "utter garbage", accused me of "using a fancy word to undermine storygaming."

Let's look at some quotes from the post of mine you linked link shall we?

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But, to keep the discussion a bit simpler, I'm just going to go ahead and use the term Storygame despite it's prior bad associations with the caveat stated here upfront that I am not interested in telling anyone what is or isn't a "real" RPG. I think the hobby is big enough to cater to every playstyle, and I'm not invested in any way in defining one thing as an RPG and another as not an RPG. Even RPGs have never been consistent in calling themselves Role-Playing Games. D&D originally titled itself a Wargame, "Adventure Game" and "Story-Telling Game" are both terms I've seen used interchangeably with RPG over the decades.

Tristram said:
For the majority of gamers, this doesn't matter. It's likely they'd never give it a second thought. The only ones who this really matters to are those who do seek immersion - eläytyminen. I like the term eläytyminen over immersion because it's also much more specific - you don't have the annoying "Immersed in the story" argument. It means, (at least insofar as English speakers are concerned) the very specific DIC Immersion that some gamers passionatley prefer, and nothing else.

Tristram said:
This is not a "bad thing", anymore than a boat not being good for drag races is a "Bad thing". Story Games chose one thing to (hopefully) do very well, and by doing so the attendant advantage and disadvantage of that is that in every way that a Storygame supports, focuses on, and assists a Narrative playstyle, it simultaneously does not cater to other playstyles. This is the natural way of specialization in every application of that term. There are other RPGs that equally hyper focus on another style of play. Phoenix Command, for example, absolutely does not cater to either a Narrative playstyle nor eläytyminen. I'm not sure we have a good name for that playstle yet, it's closer to how I would use the term "Simulationist" if that term wasn't so befuggled. And in the same way I am sure there is out there very specific types of gamers that really love that style, and Phoenix Command would offer exactly what they want from an RPG.

So, me bending over backwards during my explanation of a certain playstyle to which eläytyminen applies to state that it in no way invalidates or implies anything lesser of other playstyles or games, nor makes any claim about them not being RPGs, is me apparently attempting to "undermine storygaming"?
Right.

Is it hard to breath swimming in that much bullshit Steve?

What's really hilariously interesting about that accusation in retrospect, though, is that the posts that got you in trouble in the most recent Mod+ thread both entailed you claiming there was no such thing as storygaming, that everybody apparently has the exact same playstyle they are just being dishonest about it.

So...how can I undermine something you don't believe exist? Which is it Steve, is storygaming a thing that exists for you to accuse me of undermining, or is it all just nonsense and there's no such thing as storygaming? Because it can't be both.

Don't bother answering that by the way, because it doesn't matter which of your posts was disengenuous, it's simply establishing that you are disengenuous that is the point.

8) So, anyway, yeah. At the point that you decided to switch to dishonesty in your responses I gave up on any dialogue with you. And I created the Bingo card, as a bt of humour to deflate the situation. Was it mocking you? Sure, I'll give you that one. I mocked the poster who picked a fight with me composed of an escalating string of personal attacks, logical fallacies, and dishonest accusations.

I'm trying to feel bad about that, really. I'm trying to see you as the victim of my "bullying"...

9) you respond by calling me a prick. I laugh.

So, there we have the sum entiretity of your victimization at the hands of a cyberbully. And you wonder why Endless or the other staff don't take your claims regarding me seriously?

Let's just say that if I was an admin on a site where a moderator posted something like this about a forum member, that moderator would be severely reprimanded and probably fired if it was part of a consistent pattern of behaviour. Which it is.

Uh-huh.

And if you did it on TBP, you'd probably get a permanent ban, too.

Man, I'd seriously love to see you try to pull the bullshit on a moderator at TBP that we've let you get away with. Please, please, if you haven't already been perma-banned from that site, go over there and demand that one of the mods not interact with you, or that they shouldn't be allowed to moderate you for a post you are insulting them in. That would make my day. The only disappointing thing would be how fast it would be over.

On here? One rule for you, another for me.

I'm yet to be proved wrong about that feeling.

lol, name one rule I've broken. Or name one thing you've gotten moderated for that I did myself. I won't hold my breath.

So for those who are even slightly interested, this kind of abusive, humiliating, conduct is my problem with TristramEvans

The fact that you took my assertion that the only difference between the types of games is one of perception on the part of the person playing those games as bad faith, despite that being agreed with by a few posters who were very active in the thread, shows that you do in fact have issues with me. The fact that you then decided to air this particular load of dirty laundry in public is more evidence of that.

Um, I assume you mean by "a few posters that agreed with [you]" you mean the only person to like your posts at the time, Sommerjon, who managed to net a permanent threadban with his one and only contribution to the thread? And what "load of laundry" was aired in public?

Obviously you don't want to see a Gripping Hand introduced to a discussion.

I have no idea what that means. Was your autocorrect malfunctioning again? Who knows...

I don't trust you.

lol. No seriously, I genuinally laughed out loud getting to this part.

Anyways, more stuff, basically summarizing the same complaints. Blah Blah...let's wrap this up...

To sum up, if you want to my respect, earn it back. You want to ban me, just do it. Otherwise, leave me alone. You don't have to be sole arbiter of my conduct. Last time I checked, there were other staff here. Ones that haven't demonstrated a need to humiliate and demean me.

Let them play, too.

Steve, if you only knew. Don't worry, next conversation whether or not to ban you as a toxic inflence on the board we just don't need, I'll be sure to stay out of that debate. I'm sure it will go great for you.

But no, I don't want your respect. That is something that is simply meaningless to me. If you chose to fuck off from the forum, cry about how the big bad Tristram bullied and humiliated you and not take any fucking responsibility for yourself, that's fine by me. If you want to stay on the forums, that is also, fine by me. But if you ever insult me or criticize how I handle my position as moderator here again, you better bring receipts. Or I'll let the other mods "play too"
 

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So...is that the thread where I can bring my growing impression that Stevethulhu Stevethulhu is being actively hostile towards simulationist/immersionist gaming as a playstyle, and doubly so towards anyone who claims it's not the same thing as storygaming:devil:?

I must add that I definitely don't want to see him gone. But sometimes he's kinda hard to extend the assumption of good faith to. Maybe it's just me being thin-skinned:thumbsup:.
 

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This ain’t the thread to get a chuckle. Tread lightly.
 

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I think he's communicating the same thing he's communicated many times over again here - his contempt for The Pub and the staff, and his continued intention to troll.
No I have contempt for you as a mod. Well and a bit towards the moderation policies.
 
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Unfortunately we had to ban Sommerjon today.

He is the fifth person we’ve banned in almost four years. We don’t take this action lightly.
 

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Zak Smith, zweihander, Felixgaming, mythusmage and Sommerjon.

I feel like I’m saying Beetlejuice three times.
 

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Oh yeah, Fox and the Nambla guy. What was Felixgaming up to, was that one of Fox’s sock puppets?
 

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I don’t want to give any of them more time than they deserve. A little search will help anyone find what they are looking for.
 
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