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I am putting my elderly dog, Tetris down today. She has e-coli, and despite fighting it with meds she's losing her age is a notable factor. I'm not doing well. I'm barely managing not to cry by digging my nailes into my palms, and having cried solidly most of yesterday. Please bear with me for a bit.
It's hard having to make that choice for a pet, even when you know it's the right thing to do.
 

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When people claim cats are aloof or standoffish, I often wonder if it's just a reflection of something about themselves and the cats sensing something. Every cat I've known has been all over me for affection. I just lay down for a short break this morning and 20 seconds later this sweetheart kitty was with me:
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When people claim cats are aloof or standoffish, I often wonder if it's just a reflection of something about themselves and the cats sensing something
I think they say this is because they never evolved facial expressions we can read as easily as those of other humans and dogs, so many people read them incorrectly. In studies they do show the same neurological (and otherwise) evidence of bonding that dogs do. It's probably also the meme of them being aloof, like owls being smart/wise despite owls being quite unintelligent for a large bird.
 

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I think they say this is because they never evolved facial expressions we can read as easily as those of other humans and dogs, so many people read them incorrectly. In studies they do show the same neurological (and otherwise) evidence of bonding that dogs do. It's probably also the meme of them being aloof, like owls being smart/wise despite owls being quite unintelligent for a large bird.
I actually just read an article on this recently. Basically, dogs evolved muscles that wolves don't have which make their eyes more expressive and they use those muscles specifically when making eye-contact with humans. Both humans and dogs get a little endorphin rush out of eye contact with each other. It's pretty fascinating.
 

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I remember reading that Dogs are the earliest domesticated animal, about 50,000 years ago iirc, while cats are only 10,000 years old. Dogs got more time to like us.
 

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This is just from checking Wikipedia, mind you: it says dogs were domesticated 1,3000BCE and cats 8,000-7,500BCE.

Source: List of domesticated animals - Wikipedia

Oooh, interesting! I didn't know there was an indigenous domesticated fox among the Yaghan people: Fuegian dog - Wikipedia
I'm pulling from an off-hand comment from a physical anthropology teacher I took a class from 3ish years ago. She was nearing retirement, didn't beleive the comely accepted theory that dinosaurs were killed by a meteor and kid you not looked like a hobbit. So I'd say that Wikipedia is probably a more accurate source in this case.
Also, fox dogs!
 

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I'm pulling from an off-hand comment from a physical anthropology teacher I took a class from 3ish years ago. She was nearing retirement, didn't beleive the comely accepted theory that dinosaurs were killed by a meteor and kid you not looked like a hobbit. So I'd say that Wikipedia is probably a more accurate source in this case.
Also, fox dogs!
I don't think Wikipedia is that bad, though it varies by language version: overall, theoretically, the more contributors, the more reliable the information should be. The Dutch Wikipedia is notably more crappy than the English one, for example.

It probably also depends on the subject matter.

Yeah, those Fuegian dogs are awesome. Unfortunately the date of domestication is not known. Reading that also sent me on a tangent reading up on indigenous people of the southernmost part of South America. A fascinating and sad piece of history I didn't know much about: the Tierra del Fuego gold rush, the Patagonian sheep farming boom and the Selk'nam Genocide.
 
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It was a big day, yesterday. Amber has had her inoculations so is allowed out...

It was a bit scary at first...

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Then she built some confidence that the floor wasn’t made of lava or something equally lethal...

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Finally, to the grass!

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I was a very intense experience for a little kitten!
 

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We just lost one of our Cats. He was suffering kidney failure and my special needs daughter got ahold of him and strangled him during "play".
It put my boy over the edge and he passed by the next morning.
Mh daughter has no idea and never will. She couldnt understand anyways.
We still have two healthy cats who have more sense and avoid her, but no plans on more animals anytime soon.

That bring said... tenbones tenbones what happened to the skunk? They make great pets too, even wild ones.
 

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We just lost one of our Cats. He was suffering kidney failure and my special needs daughter got ahold of him and strangled him during "play".
It put my boy over the edge and he passed by the next morning.
Mh daughter has no idea and never will. She couldnt understand anyways.
We still have two healthy cats who have more sense and avoid her, but no plans on more animals anytime soon.

That bring said... tenbones tenbones what happened to the skunk? They make great pets too, even wild ones.

My deep condolences, Faylar Faylar.

The skunk - to my knowledge the skunk remained there. I'll have to ask Laurie - the lady who spent *SIX* months trying to capture Barnabus (then finally did so with the help of a local veterinarian). It's been a couple of years, so I'll ask her.
 

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Had to put out cat Elspeth down today. She was 14 and developed kidney problems. Selfishly we'd have wanted to prolong it, but that wouldn't have been right.
 

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When people claim cats are aloof or standoffish, I often wonder if it's just a reflection of something about themselves and the cats sensing something. Every cat I've known has been all over me for affection. I just lay down for a short break this morning and 20 seconds later this sweetheart kitty was with me:
Cats can be super affectionate. None of my friend’s cats ever leave me alone. I think it’s because they know I’m allergic.
 

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I actually just read an article on this recently. Basically, dogs evolved muscles that wolves don't have which make their eyes more expressive and they use those muscles specifically when making eye-contact with humans. Both humans and dogs get a little endorphin rush out of eye contact with each other. It's pretty fascinating.
That’s interesting. I know they’ve been doing controlled breeding of Russian foxes and the ones whose faces look more like dogs respond to people more than the vulpine ones. I wonder if canine moveable facial structure is what allowed certain wolves to bond with people since they could communicate and read facial gestures. Fast forward 50,000 years of selective breeding and you have companion dogs that can pretty much read your mind.
 

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Cats can be super affectionate. None of my friend’s cats ever leave me alone. I think it’s because they know I’m allergic.
Cats know good people, like Dogs do.
Must mean that you are a good guy.
In my former life as a telecom installer, dogs and cats liking me went far to alleviating the fear of a 6 foot 6 giant that was stomping into their house.
 

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That’s interesting. I know they’ve been doing controlled breeding of Russian foxes and the ones whose faces look more like dogs respond to people more than the vulpine ones. I wonder if canine moveable facial structure is what allowed certain wolves to bond with people since they could communicate and read facial gestures. Fast forward 50,000 years of selective breeding and you have companion dogs that can pretty much read your mind.
Recently read that Dogs and wolves are separate evolution paths at the time we domesticated them. Apparently dogs were already biologically distinct and more like they are today than that of wolves. There are still some wild dog breeds that can be found where there is no evidence of domestication in their lineage.
Domestication of wolves... our natural predators... came after with cross breeding with lobos who saw a human with his dogs as a potential pack.

I take it like all Hominid studies right now though... a growing idea.
 

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Our boy cat went missing last night. He enjoys his creature comforts, so that usually means he got accidentally shut in a shed or garage somewhere.

This morning we got ready to go out shopping and discovered a disgruntled kitty face in the window of my wife's car.
 

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Faylar Faylar for proof

Wife and I picked up our first kitten last friday, and spent the next few days keeping him out of trouble for the 2-3 hours he isn't sleeping/eating.

He's adorable! Took to us immediately and got used to there being a gigantic dog around.
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This is our other cat Mimi. Also known as "Fat Mim" and "Fatbutt" and other references to the fact my god is she one big fat cat. She's ok, although she's pretty upset about Elf. (Much more than we expected, we didn't realise how close they'd become).



We're helping by giving her cat treats, which is her favourite thing. Fat Mim.jpg
 

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A good friend of mine had several pet rats and they are actually very sweet (and smart) creatures
 

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A guy in Highschool had one trained to live in his jacket. Freaked his teachers out by feeding it when it poked its head out his collar.
Same guy also had some form of snake he would try and smuggle in the same way, but that was less discrete.
The rat and snake were both affectionate and sought attention from the guy.
 

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A good friend of mine had several pet rats and they are actually very sweet (and smart) creatures
My father had some rats that he had kept in his class when he was still teaching. They're actually quite cute and friendly, constantly whiffling - hooded rats are especially cute. Unfortunately they only live a few years, though.
 

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:smile: They're lovely creatures, very sweet-natured. The only tricky thing is teaching them to be comfortable with you, because their first instinct when something big comes near is to bolt for the nearest hidey-hole. I eventually got mine to associate me with treats, though they still have some days when they're just not in the mood to socialise.

They really are amazing at hiding. People talk about the soft tread of cats, but there is nothing quicker and more silent than a rat that doesn't want to be noticed. You take your eyes off of them for half a second, and when you turn back they've just disappeared into thin air. And when they sit absolutely still they just blend into the scenery so that you can barely spot them even when you're actively looking for them. They're like tiny furry ninjas. :tongue:
 

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My experience of them was that they have poor eyesight and navigate more by feeling their way around things? My friend used to be able to play with her rat on her bed (a futon or other low bed IIRC) and Ratty would stay on it because he couldn’t see the ground clearly. Then one day he fell off and realised it was only a few inches, after that he would happily leap off the bed to the floor!
 

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My experience of them was that they have poor eyesight and navigate more by feeling their way around things? My friend used to be able to play with her rat on her bed (a futon or other low bed IIRC) and Ratty would stay on it because he couldn’t see the ground clearly. Then one day he fell off and realised it was only a few inches, after that he would happily leap off the bed to the floor!

Yeah, that sounds about right. They respond to sounds well enough, and they head straight towards any piece of food like target-seeking missiles so their sense of smell seems to be sharp, but when it comes to sight they seem to be able to pick up motion but not much more.

ETA: Enclosed, one sleepy rat glaring resentfully at the miscreant who's disturbing him by waving a cell phone at him! :tongue:

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