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The Emperor never told Vader to take off his stupid mask because he needed it to survive.

Kylo only wears it because he’s trying too hard to be like grandpa. Snoke doesn’t want Kylo to be like Vader. Vader was weak. The mask is ridiculous because Kylo needs to be Kylo.

I think part of the reason he is going to wear it again is that perhaps after smashing it in The Last Jedi and telling Rey that they should let the past die, he comes to grip with the fact that they need to accept the past to move forward. The Force will never be balanced if either side is dismissive of the other.
 

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I remember them both from their original airings. I remember even the trailers for the first one, which didn't reveal a whole lot, and led me to be a bit disappointed none of the actors from the film were in it (I had no concept of stardom at that age).

I have not watched them since, mostly because they simply weren't available after a single VHS rental release until after the Special Editions, and by that point I'd already learned my lesson from several cartoons I saw on DVD for the first time since I was 5 or 6, that re-visiting stuff you enjoyed as a kid is the quickest way to ruin happy memories.

I'm sure they were actually crap, but at that age, in that time in the 80's, all I remember is how I perceived them.
 

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FOr me they had to explain Snoke. It is completely unacceptable to have Darth Chicken Thigh just 'be there' as the big bad. Emperor 2.0. YOu MUST explain him in context. They didn't.

The way Luke was treated was awful. Turning him into a creepy old man. Fuck no
 

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Snoke isn’t really that interesting to be honest with you. When they revealed Palpatine’s laugh in the trailer I think everyone forgot about Snoke. The Knights of Ren are rumored to be in this one.
That's the problem though. Snoke should have been interesting.

I'm guessing Palpatine will appear as a hologram perhaps in a holocron discovered by Kylo Ren (THE stupidest villain name ever). I cannot see him being fully resurrected as a clone or whatever, and resolved, within the space of one film. He'll just give Ren some advice based on his experience with his grandpa and Ren will go off, take a job as a mild mannered reporter, and fight crime as a symbol of hope...oh wait, that's Superman.
 

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FOr me they had to explain Snoke. It is completely unacceptable to have Darth Chicken Thigh just 'be there' as the big bad. Emperor 2.0. YOu MUST explain him in context. They didn't.

The way Luke was treated was awful. Turning him into a creepy old man. Fuck no
That in a nutshell is the problem with TLJ. Rian Johnson was so busy subverting expectation and undercutting drama with forced humour that he forgot that he was actually adding a chapter to an ongoing story. And of course,Disney being a massive corporation, take each movie as an isolated, solitary thing. So TLJ was a success, because it made money. Solo, which caught the backlash from TLJ, was a failure and a bad film.

See which one goes on to become a cult clasic.

That's the problem though. Snoke should have been interesting.

I'm guessing Palpatine will appear as a hologram perhaps in a holocron discovered by Kylo Ren (THE stupidest villain name ever). I cannot see him being fully resurrected as a clone or whatever, and resolved, within the space of one film. He'll just give Ren some advice based on his experience with his grandpa and Ren will go off, take a job as a mild mannered reporter, and fight crime as a symbol of hope...oh wait, that's Superman.
I've heard some interesting rumours that reconcile who Snape, I mean Snoke was, with the return of Palpatine. But they are pure speculation, though allegedly from a reliable source.

Time will tell.
 

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FOr me they had to explain Snoke. It is completely unacceptable to have Darth Chicken Thigh just 'be there' as the big bad. Emperor 2.0. YOu MUST explain him in context. They didn't.

The way Luke was treated was awful. Turning him into a creepy old man. Fuck no
The worse thing about TLJ was no return of Wilford Brimley.

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He could've been the next Bobba Fett. Bring him back, it's the right thing to do.
 
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Solo is never going to become a cult classic. It’s a competent movie but it never really takes any chances or does anything new.

I think The Last Jedi will always be viewed by critics as one of the best in the series. I think its stature among some fans will improve to when they see how it fits into the bigger narrative of the trilogy as a whole and not just against The Force Awakens.
 

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Solo is never going to become a cult classic. It’s a competent movie but it never really takes any chances or does anything new.

I think The Last Jedi will always be viewed by critics as one of the best in the series. I think its stature among some fans will improve to when they see how it fits into the bigger narrative of the trilogy as a whole and not just against The Force Awakens.
I agree on Solo.

But your claim on the Last Jedi? heh that's a BOLD claim sir. I'm making a hot sports prediction that this last movie will completely undermine the undermining that TLJ made on Force Awakens.
 

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That's Japanese for poison, so is not that bad
Poison isn’t spelled or pronounced like that in Japanese. If that was their intention they shouldn’t have spelled or pronounced it so poorly that it resembles a well known English term for poo-poo.
 

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I agree on Solo.

But your claim on the Last Jedi? heh that's a BOLD claim sir. I'm making a hot sports prediction that this last movie will completely undermine the undermining that TLJ made on Force Awakens.
We'll find out on December 18th! I can't wait no matter what happens. I'll only be sad that it's the end of the Skywalker Saga.
 

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Personally, I liked TLJ and Luke's story in it. Much like Star Wars was the end of Obi-Wan's story, TLJ was the end of Luke's. That's because Lucas decided to do the freaking prequel trilogy instead of continuing the story. So instead of Luke's arc after RotJ and what things he might have accomplished, instead we had to make do with the end of his arc. You can't make him the star of the movie, because it's not his story. He was never going to be more than a supporting character. I found it satisfying, myself.

I understand why people didn't like it. I went in with different expectations, I guess. I had other problems with TLJ, which is why I'd still place it tied with RotJ in 3rd place. (RotJ would have a solid 3rd place if it wasn't for the Ewoks. TLJ would have a solid 3rd place if it wasn't for various other plot elements involving the fleet and the side trip to casino-land.)
 

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I actually don't hate the ewoks. Not by far as cool as jawas, but still found them fun.
 

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I'm fairly sure hatred of Ewoks is an internet gamer/nerd/gamer-nerd thing as everyone I know offline either likes them or doesn't mind them. Yub nub!
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I don't have any hatred of Ewoks. Part of me still wishes that we got Wookies as it would have made Han and Chewie more relevant in the back half of RotJ after the Jabba storyline wrapped up. Still, I thought the Ewoks were entertaining.
 

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I have no problems with Ewoks either. Jawa are way cooler.

... it was the fucking Gungans that went over the line.
 

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I'm fairly sure hatred of Ewoks is an internet gamer/nerd/gamer-nerd thing as everyone I know offline either likes them or doesn't mind them. Yub nub!
I’ve got no issues with Ewoks per se but find fans liking the Ewoks and yet taking the films super seriously and claiming they aren’t for kids is pretty contradictory. I knew guys in film classes who made very grandiose claims for the the OT. I remember after Phantom Menace came out I ran into one of those guys and asked him what he thought. His disappointment was visible. ‘It’s for kids,’ he said. Yeah I pointed out, just like the original films.
 

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My problem with the Ewoks was that they were very cutesy and seemed at the time to be purely to sell toys. There wasn't a ton of toy marketing before Star Wars, and they really didn't have the hang of it at the time. But they discovered Star Wars related toys were a big hit probably after TESB. When the Ewoks appeared in RotJ, it felt very calculated. Especially when the rumors started circulating that they'd replaced Wookies in the original story idea. So, they tended to pull me out of the movie and I found them distracting.
 

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My problem with the Ewoks was that they were very cutesy and seemed at the time to be purely to sell toys. There wasn't a ton of toy marketing before Star Wars, and they really didn't have the hang of it at the time. But they discovered Star Wars related toys were a big hit probably after TESB. When the Ewoks appeared in RotJ, it felt very calculated. Especially when the rumors started circulating that they'd replaced Wookies in the original story idea. So, they tended to pull me out of the movie and I found them distracting.
RotJ came out the summer between 5th and 6th grade for me, so I was just barely uncynical enough to not think about how it was a move to sell toys.
 

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My problem with the Ewoks was that they were very cutesy and seemed at the time to be purely to sell toys. There wasn't a ton of toy marketing before Star Wars, and they really didn't have the hang of it at the time. But they discovered Star Wars related toys were a big hit probably after TESB. When the Ewoks appeared in RotJ, it felt very calculated. Especially when the rumors started circulating that they'd replaced Wookies in the original story idea. So, they tended to pull me out of the movie and I found them distracting.
From what I recall Lucas made a deal with the studio where he got most of the profits from the toy marketing for the first SW and he cashed in big time after the success of the first film.
 

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Yep, the studio let him have all the merchandising rights because movies before Star Wars sold very little merchandise. When Lucas made that deal with Kenner, it was like printing money for years.
 

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I’ve got no issues with Ewoks per se but find fans liking the Ewoks and yet taking the films super seriously and claiming they aren’t for kids is pretty contradictory. I knew guys in film classes who made very grandiose claims for the the OT. I remember after Phantom Menace came out I ran into one of those guys and asked him what he thought. His disappointment was visible. ‘It’s for kids,’ he said. Yeah I pointed out, just like the original films.
Back when I saw RotJ in the cinema there were some scenes that were a bit dark and intense for me. I mean, it was my very first Star Wars cinema experience and I absolutely loved it, but in retrospect I'm not sure I would have taken young me to see it. I guess it varies a lot from person to person, depending on things like innate sensitivity, but the Emperor is a pretty scary dude and Jabba's palace is a dark and miserable place full of creepy monsters communicating in guttural tongues.

I've since been properly desensitized, by the way. I just loved fantasy, horror and scifi too much. :wink:
 

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Can you guys help me with something? Perhaps this will make me look like an uncultured fool, but can anyone tell me exactly what's wrong with Anakin's "I don't like sand" line from the prequels?

This is regularly held up as an example of terrible dialogue, but it always seemed pretty innocuous to me.
 

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Can you guys help me with something? Perhaps this will make me look like an uncultured fool, but can anyone tell me exactly what's wrong with Anakin's "I don't like sand" line from the prequels?

This is regularly held up as an example of terrible dialogue, but it always seemed pretty innocuous to me.
For me, it is the context. It's in a romance scene, and there is nothing worse for setting a romantic mood than going off on a tangent about things that you find irritating.

I lived in a desert for years, so while I agree entirely with Anakin's feelings on sand, it just isn't a topic that I deploy for the purposes of wooing.
 

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Can you guys help me with something? Perhaps this will make me look like an uncultured fool, but can anyone tell me exactly what's wrong with Anakin's "I don't like sand" line from the prequels?

This is regularly held up as an example of terrible dialogue, but it always seemed pretty innocuous to me.
I'm with you. I don't see anything really wrong with it. I'm the same way about the balcony scene in RotS.

Both illustrate something about Anakin. He's incredibly self centered. He always tries to make things about him. He's also effectively a teenager in the sand scene. He's desperately grabbing for any kind of awkward segue to what he wants to talk about, which is about how infatuated he is with Amidala.
 

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For me, it is the context. It's in a romance scene, and there is nothing worse for setting a romantic mood than going off on a tangent about things that you find irritating.

I lived in a desert for years, so while I agree entirely with Anakin's feelings on sand, it just isn't a topic that I deploy for the purposes of wooing.
OK, I always took that scene as casual conversation drifting into attraction without either party realizing it at first, so it never bugged me. The fireside scene … now, that was painful romantic dialogue.
 

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OK, I always took that scene as casual conversation drifting into attraction without either party realizing it at first, so it never bugged me. The fireside scene … now, that was painful romantic dialogue.
It's my opinion that Amidala is being a mind trick controlled puppet playing out Anakin's teenage fantasy in that scene.

It's already established by that point that Anakin is using his force powers more freely than he should by the dialogue during dinner. There's also a scene where the question of whether Anakin is using mind tricks on Amidala is presented. Interestingly, Anakin uncharacteristically deflects the question and looks away with a look of embarrassment. The way Anakin has typically dealt with similar things is to dream up an awkward way to link the thing to more teenage romantic dialogue. Instead, here he just seems to be trying to get away from the question.

The dialogue spoken by Amidala doesn't seem to be Amidala's kind of words. You can say all you want that Lucas writes crappy dialogue, but look at how much it stands out in that scene as completely unlike anything Amidala says anywhere else, and how much it matches the kind of things Anakin is saying in his flowery teenage romance poetry style dialogue.

Yes. This goes incredibly dark places. It also means that Anakin falls to the dark side in that den on Naboo in the light of the flickering fireplace. His later murder of sandpeople and killing younglings ain't shit in comparison.
 

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OK, I always took that scene as casual conversation drifting into attraction without either party realizing it at first, so it never bugged me. The fireside scene … now, that was painful romantic dialogue.
The funny thing about that scene is that Padme is telling Anakin “we mustn’t” while her dress says otherwise.
 
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