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Endless Flight said:
That’s where Disney got the idea to bring Palpatine back. A comic series in 1996 where the Emperor was cloned and turned Luke to the dark side (albeit for a couple days max). Leia pulled him back. There’s nothing new under the sun. That’s why I wondered why fans got so upset.
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Well, that sounds even worse.
 
I do remember one thing that made fans very upset then. Chewbacca was killed in the book Vector Prime. That was far more disturbing that Palpatine’s clone.
 
Endless Flight said:
Anybody that says the old EU was better that current canon only took the bits and pieces they liked and not the whole thing.
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Maybe. Better is a matter of taste. It’s what I like. As I said I look at it as Luke’s story so of course I prefer EU. But I also know I’m wrong since it’s supposed to be Anakins story.
 
Self Saboteur said:
I always looked at it as Luke Skywalkers story. Which is probably why I prefer the EU lore and the stories that focus on Luke beyond the OT. But with the PT and clone wars Lucas went backwards with the story making it Anakins origin story. And I’m positive Lucas said all along it was Anakin Skywalkers story. It’s Lucas’s creation so he’s right obviously in however he tells it but I didn’t enjoy the stuff he did after the OT. I didn’t need to see Darth Vader as an angsty love struck teen and it did him a disservice for me.
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For me, it was the story of the Skywalker family overall, and I'm not alone in that. It made the decision to make killing off all Skywalkers and odd direction for the sequel trilogy.

Endless Flight said:
Anybody that says the old EU was better that current canon only took the bits and pieces they liked and not the whole thing.
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I read about half of Heir to the Empire, got to the part with the magic lizards that create an anti-Force field, and put the book down. That's about the extent of my EU knowledge.
 
Endless Flight said:
You do realize that Lucas did the same thing for ten years after the prequels? He filled in gaps in with the Clone Wars show. He never pushed the story forward. More was done to push the story forward in video games like KOTOR.
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I've always had a love/hate relationship with Lucas personally. I feel that he's a big idea guy and that he should have turned over the running of the IP to someone better qualified to love and grow it.

Also, I think holding everyone to a comic book isn't really fair. I know I had no idea about it, I had read some of the paperbacks that came out and enjoyed them, in regards to the extended universe. I just wasn't all that deep though into the material there was better written IPs out there to spend on free reading time.

In the end I think I'm just fond of what Star Wars could be, versus what it is or tends to be.
 
I like Dark Empire. I like a lot of the EU stuff. I was also OK with Disney discarding it and starting over fresh. They have really incorporated a lot of the EU back in as bits and pieces.
 
Baulderstone said:
I was thinking about recent Star Wars shows today. I'm guessing that all the cloning shenanigans in The Mandalorian and the introduction of necromancy in Ahsoka is probably there so they can explain "Somehow, Palpatine returned." The problem is that even if they use these shows to contrive a retcon that explains how he came back, it doesn't fix the problem that Palpatine not being killed by Vader ruins both the original and prequel trilogies. They can throw in the all the cameos of CGI Mannequin Skywalker they want. It's just dead to me at this point.
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Possibily, the necromancy of the Night Sisters is part of an important episode of The Clone Wars too though.

Agree that the Emperor clone revival is goofy although I guess one could say the groundwork was there with the Darth Plagueis storyline in the prequels. That always seemed like an odd touch in the movies, I wonder if Lucas had some idea of where it would lead.

At the same time, I thought the idea of bringing back Darth Maul was super stupid as well but it actually ended up being awesome, so you never can tell.
 
Baulderstone said:
Well, that sounds even worse.
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Dark Empire was okay, not great. Bobba Fett gets to say, "The Sarlacc found me somewhat indigestible." The emperor comes back with clone hopping but the process is flawed and the clones age at a highly accelerated rate. Still he gets to lightsabre duel Luke while in a new and younger body.

Personally, the more mysticism and magic they put into the setting the less I like it. It dilutes the unique thing about the Jedi and Sith and makes them less special.

Darth Maul's rematch with Obi Wan is fantastic and I really wish we got to see it in live action Obiwan Kenobi. So much more emotion and depth than round two with Darth Vadar. Though, "You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker. I did!" was a great line.
 
David Johansen said:
Dark Empire was okay, not great. Bobba Fett gets to say, "The Sarlacc found me somewhat indigestible." The emperor comes back with clone hopping but the process is flawed and the clones age at a highly accelerated rate. Still he gets to lightsabre duel Luke while in a new and younger body.

Personally, the more mysticism and magic they put into the setting the less I like it. It dilutes the unique thing about the Jedi and Sith and makes them less special.

Darth Maul's rematch with Obi Wan is fantastic and I really wish we got to see it in live action Obiwan Kenobi. So much more emotion and depth than round two with Darth Vadar. Though, "You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker. I did!" was a great line.
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I think the Night Sisters are tapping into the force but just using a different technique (believe this may be overtly said somewhere in The Clone Wars).

It makes sense that different societies outside the Republic or Empire have different approaches to tapping into the force.
 
To expand on my prior answers, these are the different varieties of force users that I know about:

  • Jedi: The order that uses only the light side of the Force, and seek to protect and guide.
  • Sith: The polar opposite of the Jedi, who use the Force primarily for power and personal gain.
  • Inquisitors: Dark side assassins- not true Sith, but those trained by Sith (specifically Palpatine) in a watered down version for their use.
  • Knights of Ren: A group of dark side users who follow Kylo Ren.
  • The Ones (Force Wielders/Force Gods of Mortis): Powerful Force users who reside on Mortis.
  • Nightsisters/Witches of Dathomir: A group of all-female dark side users who use spells, potions, and incantations to work with the Force.
  • Force Priestesses of the Wellspring of Life: Powerful Force users who reside on the planet of Bardotta.
  • Dagoyan Order: Powerful Force users from the planet Bardotta who eschew Light and Dark and seek to serve the whole of the Force.
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I was thinking about things today, and you know what? Padme dying of a broken heart makes perfect sense in the genre of farsical melodrama and possibly in a heroic romance as well. Is the problem that we've mis-genred Star Wars?
 
I actually don’t have a problem with that really. People in real life die of broken hearts. It probably lies in the physical stress of it all but the underlying reason is the emotion behind it. Padme just couldn’t take it any longer.
 
Endless Flight said:
I actually don’t have a problem with that really. People in real life die of broken hearts. It probably lies in the physical stress of it all but the underlying reason is the emotion behind it. Padme just couldn’t take it any longer.
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It was the script more than the action to me. It was terribly written, directed and acted.
 
Endless Flight said:
I actually don’t have a problem with that really. People in real life die of broken hearts. It probably lies in the physical stress of it all but the underlying reason is the emotion behind it. Padme just couldn’t take it any longer.
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The line would have landed better if the droid had been puzzled that there was no medical reason for her to die, and Obi-Wan had told it that she died of a broken heart. It also would have landed better if the movies had actually gotten audiences emotionally invested in their relationship in the first place.
 
Baulderstone said:
The line would have landed better if the droid had been puzzled that there was no medical reason for her to die, and Obi-Wan had told it that she died of a broken heart. It also would have landed better if the movies had actually gotten audiences emotionally invested in their relationship in the first place.
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I thought it odd they didn’t just use Hayden Christenson from the first one on. Setting up a romance between Natalie Portman and Jake Lloyd was freakin weird. Threw off the whole trilogy for me and I never believed the romance from the start.
 
You guys and your hardened hearts…Who wouldn’t fall for a romance like this:

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chuckdee said:
the icing on the bad cake was the NOOOOO! By Vader. It would have been better if as a human he cried that out as the last vestige of his humanity slipping away before they put the helmet on.
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He went for a Frankenstein-like creation coming off the table.
 
Soooo many bad choices. In retrospect I really feel for Hans Christian Anderson, he had such brutal material to work with.
 
I really disliked the fight between Ben and Anakin. Something I was looking forward to. It could’ve been an amazing sequence but they wound up swinging on ropes.
 
David Johansen said:
I was thinking about things today, and you know what? Padme dying of a broken heart makes perfect sense in the genre of farsical melodrama and possibly in a heroic romance as well. Is the problem that we've mis-genred Star Wars?
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Its space opera. That sort of stuff happens all over in classic operas.

And just remembered Friday is Donizetti's 'The Elixer of Love' with the local opera company. Yum.
 
Telok said:
Its space opera. That sort of stuff happens all over in classic operas.

And just remembered Friday is Donizetti's 'The Elixer of Love' with the local opera company. Yum.
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Yeah, but when that shit happens in classic opera the whole audience isn't groaning and pretending to throw up into their popcorn. So something got dropped in the cacky there.
 
Fenris-77 said:
Yeah, but when that shit happens in classic opera the whole audience isn't groaning and pretending to throw up into their popcorn. So something got dropped in the cacky there.
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Well I think thats mostly because the writing made whassizface an annoying bit part in the first one, and then a unlikeable whiny shit for two whole movies. You don't go that long as a turd without people catching on to the stink.
 
Telok said:
Well I think thats mostly because the writing made whassizface an annoying bit part in the first one, and then a unlikeable whiny shit for two whole movies. You don't go that long as a turd without people catching on to the stink.
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George Lucas cannot write dialogue. At All. Ever. He should be smacked on the nose with a rolled up newspaper if he even thinks about it.
 
Fenris-77 said:
Yeah, but when that shit happens in classic opera the whole audience isn't groaning and pretending to throw up into their popcorn. So something got dropped in the cacky there.
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The difference is doing it well and doing it poorly. Nobody cares if you employ genre tropes and clichés...if they're well executed. The trouble with every modern Star Wars movie/TV I've seen is the writing all seems like the "rule of cool" prevailed and there was no consideration of "does this contradict what we've previously established?" and no second draft, but there's a segment of Star Wars fandom that will consume and defend anything labeled Star Wars regardless of how objectively poor it is.
 
Dumarest said:
The difference is doing it well and doing it poorly. Nobody cares if you employ genre tropes and clichés...if they're well executed. The trouble with every modern Star Wars movie/TV I've seen is the writing all seems like the "rule of cool" prevailed and there was no consideration of "does this contradict what we've previously established?" and no second draft, but there's a segment of Star Wars fandom that will consume and defend anything labeled Star Wars regardless of how objectively poor it is.
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There is modern SW that I like, but not the prequels, and mostly not the sequels. Rogue One I thought was fantastic if that helps people track where I'm at.
 
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