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2k for the speeder,nplis whatever Obi Wan could pull together seems legit. And neatly avoids the need for comically complex negotiations to commit large scale fraud.
Maybe as a Robot Chicken skit or Family.Guy cutaway gag.
I think there's multiple reasons why in this particular instance why that scene elicits more laughs than not - 1) we don't know anything about those kids, so from the context of a fictional narrative they're just ciphers, 2) we don't (if I remember correctly) actually see them getting killed, it all happens off-screen, and 3) to misquote Stalin, 'the death of one youngling is a tragedy, the death of a bucketload of younglings is a farce'..Star Wars fans are dark. Like dark. I mean, where else is it acceptable to joke about murdering kids? For decades
I actually think it was a mistake to film that scene in the first place. Him choking his wife in front of his best friend was enough to send the kind of message Lucas wanted to send. Later on you can still show the bodies of children laying around the Jedi temple with Yoda and Kenobi wondering who killed them because they had lightsaber cuts.
Like a lot of SW (including his saving of Luke in RotJ) the slaughter of the younglings feels undermotivated.
But my main issue is that later merely saving Luke and offing the Emperor is enough to get him back into the Force Ghost Club even though he killed a temple worth of kids and vaporized the entire planet of Alderaan.
Sorry but saving your own kid and 'restoring balance to the force' doesn't seem enough to redeem those unredeemable acts.
I think that's a very Christianized interpretation of the Star Wars force ghosts.
I think the actual plot of Palpatine taking over the Republic and playing both sides was a great idea. I just thought some of the small details could have been changed.
I'm not sure that Vader can really be blamed for Alderaan, except insofar as any Imperial stationed on the Death Star could be. The bulk of the blame, I think, goes to Tarkin as the station commander and the one actually gave the "fire" order.But my main issue is that later merely saving Luke and offing the Emperor is enough to get him back into the Force Ghost Club even though he killed a temple worth of kids and vaporized the entire planet of Alderaan.
Well I'd argue the Force Ghosts are a pretty sentimental, Christian idea to begin with.
Which film is that in? I thought I'd seen all the Star Wars movies.I don't think becoming a Force Ghost is a metaphysical reward or the space ninja equivalent of Heaven. Anakin became a Force Ghost because he was connected to the Force, a piece of it that was consumed by it upon his death. Keep in mind, chronologicaly within the film universe, the first Force Ghost was a Sith.
Which film is that in? I thought I'd seen all the Star Wars movies.
I must have missed that bit. Because I have no memory of any sort of life after death being mentioned by Palpatine.One of the Prequels, Palpatine talks about it with Anakin
I must have missed that bit. Because I have no memory of any sort of life after death being mentioned by Palpatine.
Yoda, on the other hand, hears Qui-Gon's voice while Anakin is murdering children. And later says he has knowledge to pass on to Obi-Wan.
It's amazing how much of What Is Known about Star Wars isn't actually in the movies. Like the ship at the beginning of Star Wars. It never gets named on screen, but everyone knows it's name.It's not a story the Jedi would tell you...
I'm not sure that Vader can really be blamed for Alderaan, except insofar as any Imperial stationed on the Death Star could be. The bulk of the blame, I think, goes to Tarkin as the station commander and the one actually gave the "fire" order.
I must have missed that bit. Because I have no memory of any sort of life after death being mentioned by Palpatine.
Yoda, on the other hand, hears Qui-Gon's voice while Anakin is murdering children. And later says he has knowledge to pass on to Obi-Wan.
I don't think becoming a Force Ghost is a metaphysical reward or the space ninja equivalent of Heaven. Anakin became a Force Ghost because he was connected to the Force, a piece of it that was consumed by it upon his death. Keep in mind, chronologicaly within the film universe, the first Force Ghost was a Sith.
Well, less following orders than failing to interfere or countermand them. Anyway, my point was only that it seemed an odd event to single out and equate with the Temple massacre, which you must agree was much more hands-on.A bit too much 'I was just following orders' reasoning to me. With the Empire being a clear Nazi analogue I think we all know how that reasoning has flown for RL war crimes.
My understanding is that he was more of an unattached observer outside of the normal chain of command, but I'm not inclined to be dogmatic on the point. Or did you mean second in command of the overall Empire? I was only thinking in terms of the Death Star's personnel.And Vader is second in command is he not?
Lucas has never known the word 'subtle'. That was for other people that reined him in. I mean, he probably wanted to have Darth torture Luke or cut a few more parts off. Once those people were gone, a little was never enough.I actually think it was a mistake to film that scene in the first place. Him choking his wife in front of his best friend was enough to send the kind of message Lucas wanted to send. Later on you can still show the bodies of children laying around the Jedi temple with Yoda and Kenobi wondering who killed them because they had lightsaber cuts.
Also in the excellent comic series, they delved into it extensively.In the old EU stuff, Palpatine was always coming back by way of new clones or wanting to jump into Han and Leia’s baby until he was pulled into the netherworld by some Jedi spirits. I feel like they sort of, kind of, tried to do some of this with TROS but the writers weren’t good enough for the task.
I never had the impression that Vader had any military rank in Star Wars. He's there as the representative of the Emperor, which gives him clout, but he's outside the chain of command entirely.A bit too much 'I was just following orders' reasoning to me. With the Empire being a clear Nazi analogue I think we all know how that reasoning has flown for RL war crimes. And Vader is second in command is he not?
Have you read the new Tarkin book by chance? I heard that it was pretty good.When I heard Tarkin was going to be in the prequels, I was excited to see some background, but all we got was that silent shot near the end.
No, I haven't.Have you read the new Tarkin book by chance? I heard that it was pretty good.