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The other person who definitely knew Vader was Skywalker was Thrawn, because he continued a conversation with Vader that he had with Skywalker years prior, which annoyed the Dark Lord.
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And Vader is second in command is he not?
Saying "I already knew that and planned for it" is Thrawn' whole shtick.The other person who definitely knew Vader was Skywalker was Thrawn, because he continued a conversation with Vader that he had with Skywalker years prior, which annoyed the Dark Lord.
The Tarkin bit in the Vader books was really good too, and showed more of that adversarial work relationship.No, I haven't.
He's Palpatine's Apprentice and right hand. That's what gives him his power. He's not in the regular chain of command in any way- but as Palpatine's right hand, to offend him is to risk the wrath of Palpatine.Lord Vader has authority because he has a position at the Emperors Court.
He wasn't even that in the first movie.He's Palpatine's Apprentice and right hand. That's what gives him his power. He's not in the regular chain of command in any way- but as Palpatine's right hand, to offend him is to risk the wrath of Palpatine.
I might not be remembering correctly, but what implies that he's not that in the first movie? From my memory, it's not mentioned either way- only that his coming is not a good thing.He wasn't even that in the first movie.
I know he's mentioned. I'm just talking about his relationship to Vader being mentioned or not.He’s mentioned in the first movie. “The Emperor has dissolved the council permanently” being an example. The Emperor was not confirmed at that time as being Darth Sidious. That came later. He was only known as Palpatine the politician. Some suspected he was more than that though.
No. Their relationship is not discussed.I know he's mentioned. I'm just talking about his relationship to Vader being mentioned or not.
The name Palpatine wasn't mentioned on screen until the first of the prequels.He’s mentioned in the first movie. “The Emperor has dissolved the council permanently” being an example. The Emperor was not confirmed at that time as being Darth Sidious. That came later. He was only known as Palpatine the politician. Some suspected he was more than that though.
The name Palpatine wasn't mentioned on screen until the first of the prequels.He’s mentioned in the first movie. “The Emperor has dissolved the council permanently” being an example. The Emperor was not confirmed at that time as being Darth Sidious. That came later. He was only known as Palpatine the politician. Some suspected he was more than that though.
I had that and yes, it is mentioned there. In fact, the emperor is constantly referred to by his name in the book.I forget where the name Palpatine first pops up. I know it was already a thing before the WEG books came out. I'm thinking the name is first used in the novelization of Return of the Jedi.
I don't think so, he was very obviously subordinant to Grand Moff Tarkin.
I thought of his "position" as closer to like a Napoleonic Spymaster. Not part of the regular chain of command, has importance but ambiguous authority when it comes to Generals.
Well, I have to sort of correct that. The Sith plan of life after death was transferring their spirit into a new body. I think the Sith goal was to create a perfect vessel for the totality of Dark Side of the Force. The Force struck back by basically creating Anakin (and his children as a way to rebalance the Force). The Jedi didn’t know Force ghosts existed until Qui-Gon Jinn discovered the techniques from a non-Jedi tradition.
Vader didn’t understand what happened to Kenobi when he struck him down aboard the Death Star and sort of realized over time that he didn’t know everything there was to know about the Force just yet. Palpatine had lied to him about Padme. He didn’t know how to save her from death.
In the old EU stuff, Palpatine was always coming back by way of new clones or wanting to jump into Han and Leia’s baby until he was pulled into the netherworld by some Jedi spirits. I feel like they sort of, kind of, tried to do some of this with TROS but the writers weren’t good enough for the task.
The first Force ghost Jedi was definitely Qui-Gon. He could only materialize in voice form at first.
I kinda wish the old lady startled Rey and Rey knee-jerk reaction force lightninged her.I dont know why Kylo and Rey couldn't have gotten a Happily Ever After ending. It is a fairytale after all
Instead we get Rey going off to live as a hermit in the desert, and lying to an old woman
Kind of sums up the Disney Trilogy. No plan, even one as vague as the OT. No vision, not even one as weakly executed as the PT. Just stuff that seemed like a good idea at the time.I dont know why Kylo and Rey couldn't have gotten a Happily Ever After ending. It is a fairytale after all
Instead we get Rey going off to live as a hermit in the desert, and lying to an old woman
There was a plan- for two directors to try to retcon and upstage each other.Kind of sums up the Disney Trilogy. No plan, even one as vague as the OT. No vision, not even one as weakly executed as the PT. Just stuff that seemed like a good idea at the time.
It's been a decade since I watched the film, so pinch of salt...
The whole Sith defeating death thing is Palpatine luring Anakin to the dark side - it's the scene at the weird space ballet.
If you listen carefully in the scene where Vader is created, Palpatine admits that he and Vader must carry on the work. Plagueis didn't succeed is the unspoken assumption here - Papa Palpatine lied to Anakin to corrupt him.
Very much IIRC - I'd need to rewatch it.
There was a late draft of the script where Yoda speaks directly with Qui-Gon, who tells him that he HAS discovered how to maintain his personality in the Force.
It's supposed, I think, to be the great irony, where the audience realises that Anakin has actually thrown away everything to achieve his goal, but he could only achieve it if he had stayed a Jedi.
In the end Liam Neeson wouldn't come back, even for one scene in RotS, so the whole thing was left undercooked and the point doesn't really come across in the actual film. Also, Force ghosting only saves Jedi, so Anakin would still have lost Padme one way or another. A second drafts of your script to tighten your vision for the film turns out to be a good idea after all.
I forget where the name Palpatine first pops up. I know it was already a thing before the WEG books came out. I'm thinking the name is first used in the novelization of Return of the Jedi.
Edit: It MAY have popped up in the Return of the Jedi Official Collector's Edition book/magazine that was released around the same time as the film. It's been a long time since I've owned a copy, and I remember it having some fluff bits about the background of the universe.
An interview Lucas did with Rolling Stone, I believe.Vader falling into a volcano fighting Obi-Wan comes from the same era - maybe a magazine, or Bantha Tracks?
Forget who said this, but Rise of Skywalker was the world's most expensive twitter fight.There was a plan- for two directors to try to retcon and upstage each other.
Yeah, I assumed he'd resemble his brother, just more handsome/in better shapeI always pictured Anakin to be older with an imposing frame when I was a kid. Broad shoulders with dark hair and piercing eyes. A deep voice with a commanding presence.
It's because I was drunk when I introduced myself to George. But he was drunk too, so he mis spelled Shteev.TIL Palpatine's first name is "Sheev"
I don't know what to do with that information, but it's in my head now
What broth- oh, you mean Uncle Owen. Which just goes to show how much things changed between 1977 and 1999.Yeah, I assumed he'd resemble his brother, just more handsome/in better shape