- Jun 3, 2018
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I have such a wide love of RPG systems that I find that there is no place on the net that seems to fit my omnigame style.I dig PbtA, experimental and 'storygames' that tend to get guff in certain circles online.
You couldn't pay me enough to flirt with my players.Using romance and sexuality in games.
A big publisher couldn't, but I often browse the small publisher games on DrivethruRPG and find small, art-free sourcebooks. I think the worst they get is ignored. I like minimal-art, minimal-colour books. PDF is how I get most of my games. If I like it enough, I'll probably print it out to read away from the keyboard. Think I could do that with Eclipse Phase or Stars Without Number? Not without killing a print cartridge.I don't know if you could release a beautifully minimalist game book like Traveller these days without it being mocked.
I'm in favour.How do you all feel about malt vinegar on your fries?
Huh, I've never heard any bad words about Forgotten Realms, but I guess I never participated much in any D&D-focused forums. My AD&D days were back when the internet was mainly for usenet and Quake (QUAKE!!!)It can't be everyone, because it is so big, but I actually think The Forgotten Realms is a good setting. Especially as presented in the original box set and the early series of setting books (like The Savage Frontier by Jennell Jaquays). Around a lot of places on the internet, and among some of my friends in the real world, that is not a mainstream opinion.
Totally agree. And its just not the early books, one of the last 2e books was the excellent Skullport city supplement that is still a favourite of mine.It can't be everyone, because it is so big, but I actually think The Forgotten Realms is a good setting. Especially as presented in the original box set and the early series of setting books (like The Savage Frontier by Jennell Jaquays). Around a lot of places on the internet, and among some of my friends in the real world, that is not a mainstream opinion.
Gah, movie wise it seems like almost everything I like ends up getting panned by 'net and in general. I loved the most recent Conan remake, for instance and I'll admit it, I still think the Matrix is pretty good especially if taken as a self contained story (while fun spectacle the sequels had more dubious elements and over complicated things, imo)Hmm, I'm not sure I know of anything "everyone hates", but I like lots of things that foster very divided opinions (people seem to either love or hate intensely). I'm sure I'm not aware of most of them honestly, as I tend to ignore fan communities and I don't, by nature. evaluate my enjoyment of something based on any sort of majority consensus
In regards to RPGs I've seen some fair amount of shade cast on Changeling: The Dreaming 1e, Nobilis 1e, Shadowrun 2e, The Streetfighter RPG, Theatrix, The Window. Not a big list, but I just haven't perceived a vast amount of hate towards a lot of games I really like, in some cases maybe because they are incredibly obscure (Dallas) or so old that I got into them before the internet was a thing.
It's easier for me to come up with a list of TV and films I know inspire very diverse opinions, maybe because opinions on these things are more prevalent instead of relegated to niche hobby forums: Elfen Leid, Fight Club, Prometheus, Watchmen, etc.
However, when it comes to the specific term "Guilty Pleasure", I associate that with stuff you know is "bad" in some way, but still find personal enjoyment in it. I don't feel any guilt or shame about liking anything (especially not any of the stuff previously mentioned), but there are many things I acknowledge that fail in certain traditional metrics, but succeed for me personally in ways that are not universal or are somewhat hard to define (usually resorting to terms like "charm" or "creativity"). I can't honestly think of any RPG products that fit this description, but tons of B-movies and cartoons.
The poms love salt and vinegar on their chips (Mcdonalds is the only place you can buy 'fries' here in the UK). You'll get it offered at any fish and chips shop. On the other hand, they're all a pack of Marmite eating heathens. Vegemite for the win![ . . . ]
A: I don't know. Disco? The Bee Gees? Xanadu? Erik Estrada? How do you all feel about malt vinegar on your fries?
<Takes a slow, deep breath>Neat, I seem to have many unpopular opinions shared with you folks,
But here’s a big one:
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 3e
But I like the board game aspects of it. My friends all have very fond memories.
FFG were ahead of their time, I say: huge, expensive board games with the complexity of RPGs are the thing nowadays. WFRP 3 would’ve been a better fit lately.
Obviously they must’ve improved the idea of the system because people are tripping over each other throwing praise over the new Star Wars and Genesys systems.
I've got no guilty pleasures. Some people on Internet are guilty of not understanding how great some of the things I like are!What are your guilty pleasures?
We had a similar situation in a game.I thought that was a fine movie. What made the book so enjoyable was completely untranslatable to film, but just as a medieval action story with nods to Beowulf, I thought it succeeded completely at what it set out to do.
This many years later I remember my favourite joke from that movie clearly: The Big Burly viking hands The Moor a broadsword, and he says "this sword is too heavy too me", and theViking chuckles and says "grow stronger". That's a good line. A classic line.
Have you ever seen StarORE?Star Wars Saga Edition (completely unrelated) is the best Star Wars RPG I've ever seen, period.
Wait, who hates Mongoose Traveller? I thought a lot of us are fans of Cepheus Engine, which is based on MgT?Mongoose Traveller.
My experience is that you just need to be upfront about it and why. And realize that there is good minimalist layout and bad minimalist layout. Taking the minimalist approach is not a magic wand. You have to work at it just you do with full color layouts.I don't know if you could release a beautifully minimalist game book like Traveller these days without it being mocked. But I would rather see books with less art/no art than art that detracts from the game.
I think there is a lot of love for murderhobos in the OSR. It's just one of those things where everyone needs to be on the same page.Murderhobos
While that movie didn't go over with mainstream critics and audiences, I've always thought that was appreciated among gamers.Liking the 13th warrior movie which everyone seems to detest.
As a fellow GM, that doesn't bother me, but it does as a player. If I sense a GM just fudged a roll to save me from the consequences of my actions, the air goes out of a game completely for me.Fudging die rolls to save characters at times (I always get a lot of flak from other GMs for that one).
OpenQuest is great. I really like the supplements for it too.Preferring the d100 OpenQuest (latest deluxe edition) to Mythras and all other d100 games.
I watched the first couple of seasons of Agents of SHIELD, which was not good, but I was kind of mesmerized by the way it was bad in such a '70s TV kind of way. With all the fantastic TV on today, there was something refreshing about its unambitious trashiness. I actually lost interest in the show as it gradually got "better".Lots of TV shows that I know are not all that good but I enjoy watching anyway.
As someone whose gaming tastes are all over the map, I respect that you like both PbtA and Rifts, two very different approaches to game design.It seems like the members of the Pub have a lot of different gaming styles, expectations, game theory, and variety of games represented. I don't think I've seen one game universally hated (maybe some game designers LOL), so I agree that here there really isn't a lot of hated games that if I liked I would feel like it was a guilty pleasure.
That being said, in my gaming community PbtA and Rifts are both looked down upon and I am a fan of both. The gaming climate where I live is basically anything that is not D&D 5E is pretty well passed over. That's not the RPG Pub, though.
One interesting side effect of the Kickstarter era is that they often release early drafts to backers, meaning that the first read of a game is done in a format free of art and layout.Precisely so.
I don't know if you could release a beautifully minimalist game book like Traveller these days without it being mocked. But I would rather see books with less art/no art than art that detracts from the game.
Perhaps this is why I like Palladium's line art as much as I do.
Never played that, but a friend of mine ran an awesome game based on the Black Company novels using the Dragonlance SAGA system.Marvel SAGA is the best superhero game I've ever seen, period.
I'd say its mostly a couple of loud voices pushing back rather than any kind of consensus.Mongoose Traveller.
Two of the only topics on the Pub that I got a lot of push back on. Mongoose Traveller as a discussion point nearly got the place burned down.
I've noticed 2E seems to get more respect in OSR circles these days as a generally solid edition.I like Dragonlance, Spelljammer and 2e D&D which are fashionable to dump on.
One of my least favorite small talk questions is "What kind of music do you like?" I'm all over the map musically. While there is music I love and music I hate, it doesn't map easily into clear boxes that I can sum up in a quick sound bite.I love free jazz, noise, noise rock, early death, black and doom metal. 'It's weird noise not music' is usually a recommendation to me. But I also love soul, hip-hop, blues, country, ska/rocksteady/reggae, disco and electronica, genres that tend to be stereotyped in a variety of ways.
In general, I think RPG settings suffer when they are over-developed. The development of a line and what is happening at people's tables rarely line up. I've liked the approach that Pinnacle has taken with most of their plot point setting of just releasing a main book, and maybe a companion, then leaving it alone.It can't be everyone, because it is so big, but I actually think The Forgotten Realms is a good setting. Especially as presented in the original box set and the early series of setting books (like The Savage Frontier by Jennell Jaquays). Around a lot of places on the internet, and among some of my friends in the real world, that is not a mainstream opinion.
I remember being surprised that there was a Matrix sequel coming out (which was kind of dumb of me. Of course, a hugely successful action movie was getting a sequel). It didn't take the story entirely to conclusion, but I liked the implied sense of inevitable victory at the end of The Matrix.Gah, movie wise it seems like almost everything I like ends up getting panned by 'net and in general. I loved the most recent Conan remake, for instance and I'll admit it, I still think the Matrix is pretty good especially if taken as a self contained story (while fun spectacle the sequels had more dubious elements and over complicated things, imo)
The only hatred for The Forgotten Realms was late 90s-early aughts. The main complaints seemed to be that it was bland, generic, and a kitchen sink setting. It always seemed to be more a case of familiarity breeding contempt more than valid criticisms of it as a setting.
I’ve got that boxed set somewhere in my storage unit. I’ll have to dig it out to take another look at it.Buck Rogers XXVc. Combined with the (perhaps correct) belief that TSR killed off Star Frontiers in favor of it, the Lorraine Williams scandal, and that people saw "Buck Rogers" and automatically assumed that it had to do with the campy 1970s television show, a lot of people never gave the game a chance. Their loss.