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That makes sense. The results ultimately failed though as we can see that his clones are defective in the sequel trilogy. But in some ways the genetic experiments produced other results as the strandcast (not a straight clone) Snoke was able to use Force powers.
 
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You know, this reminds me of a thought, or really a wish I had the other day: I wish he wouldn't have sold. Sure put someone else in charge, or whatever. But sell? To Disney?!?! No bueno. I mean, sure Lucas wasn't a great writer, or director...but at least he cared. He loved Star Wars, and even though his stuff didn't always work out, you know he really wanted to tell a great story.
 
bleys21 said:
You know, this reminds me of a thought, or really a wish I had the other day: I wish he wouldn't have sold. Sure put someone else in charge, or whatever. But sell? To Disney?!?! No bueno. I mean, sure Lucas wasn't a great writer, or director...but at least he cared. He loved Star Wars, and even though his stuff didn't always work out, you know he really wanted to tell a great story.
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I don't know if I'd say the guy who directed American Graffiti and THX 1138 could be considered not a great director.

One is a classic of New Hollywood 70s film the other an all-time sf classic. And that's setting aside Star Wars (which I will never call A New Hope or whatever 'episode' number that the fandom loves to do).
 
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Voros said:
I don't know if I'd say the guy who directed American Graffitti and THX 1138 could be considered not a great director.

One is a classic of New Hollywood 70s film the other an all-time sf classic. And that's setting aside Star Wars (which I will never call A New Hope or whatever 'episode' number that the fandom loves to do).
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Agreed. He just got to where he didn't have people to say no to him, tell the truth, and help him pull in his excesses.
 
I think Star Wars, the original film, and to an extent the original trilogy, was born out of restrictions and limitations as much as it was Lucas' imagination, along with a team of editors. The prequel trilogy was born of excess, an army of yes men and sycophants. Also Lucas' writing of dialogue has never quite matched up with the way actual humans talk. My opinion of the prequels has improved since seeing Disney's disastrous handling of the sequel trilogy. At least Lucas was intent on giving us something "new". I may not have particularly cared for it, but it was better than regurgitating Palpatine in a last minute attempt to recover from the hole they'd written themselves into and just a general lack of imagination.


Lucas has always been forthcoming that he doesn't actually enjoy directing. He's more of an idea guy. And after the reception to the prequels, selling kinda makes sense. I think it was a shame, but I also think these days "that's a shame" describes my attitude towards 90% of Star Wars content. The teats of that nostalgia cow are being wrung as hard as they can be, and milk is sorta flying everywhere.

There is a Star Wars that exists in my head, that lasted from first seeing the original trilogy as a small child and then kept alive by a small community of fans as the rest of the world moved on, mostly in orbit around West End Games' Star Wars RPG. There were a few comics, the odd novel (but nothing like the "expanded universe" that the 90s hoisted upon us), a handful of cartoons and TV films, but most of it simply existed as echoes of the original film reverberating in a young fan's imagination (with some help by a massive line of action figures).

Whatever Star Wars became in the 90s, even before the prequels, I've never really connected with, probably starting with the that mini franchise reboot with the story set between Empire and Jedi and a Han Solo stand in (I cant even recall the name enough to google what it was called). Partly because I grew up. Star Wars was a defining part of my youth, but my adolescent tastes were changing. I went from superhero comics to Vertigo, fantasy paperbacks to literary classics. I still retained that fondness that you do for any of those early influences in life, but I kinda wished Star Wars had stayed there TBH. What is sad to me is that future generations will never know that Star Wars. The original film will always be episode 4 to them. The prequels and cartoons and Disney output define Star Wars for new generations as intrinsically as that original trilogy did for me. So I dont really engage with it anymore. The Mandalorian (the first two seasons) was the last time I glimpsed my Star Wars, and it was still a slightly uncomfy bedfellows with prequel nonsense. By Book of Baba Fett that tiny nostalgia bubble had burst again.

But I'm a middle aged guy. It's OK for me to move on, to leave this stuff to a new generation. I'm not under any arrogant illusion that the youth of the world should be subjected to my idiosyncratic tastes. The world turns, and I'm a relic of it's near past observing the future a bit.

Just as Lucas is.
 
Endless Flight said:
I ate Shadows of the Empire up when it came out.
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That was the one. I kept thinking of Dark Empire, the Dark Horse comics. It basically came out right at the age that I was parting ways with a lot of the interests of my childhood. I'd abandoned GI Joe (Snake Eyes and the Ninja Force it'd become at that point, a gaudy tie in to a desperate gimmick for a dying toyline), I was turning away from Marvel comics in general as the Collector's Market ramped up, my interest in Ninja Turtles had faded by the second film, and music and girls were starting to get more of my attention.

So I was aware of SotE from a distance, mostly through coverage in Wizard magazine, but I wasn't interested in re-engaging with Star Wars at that point any more than Inspector Gadget, Transformers, or Masters of the Universe.
 
Endless Flight said:
I kinda wish they didn’t do that again in Kenobi, which actually takes place before Rebels in continuity, but it was a cool sequence.
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I liked the blending of Anakin and Vader's voices going back and forth during that sequence, and him admitting that Kenobi wasn't responsible for who he'd become.

Hayden Christiansen has really shown what he could do with Vader without Lucas' direction holding him back.
 
I will also say that fan theories that Vader's suit looking so old tech (and I think it was confirmed somewhere but not sure) and so vulnerable being devices for Palpatine keeping him in check and the fact that it could be breached by sabers and force lightning make the whole thing make so much more sense than Lucas probably ever intended. And the other fan theory that Vader never upgraded or tried to make it better being that he embraced it and succeeded despite the handicap to make the Emperor more scared of him is equally bad ass.
 
The recent 'Identity Crisis' episode of Bad Batch was really excellent, beautiful animation and while heartugging in the extreme, particularly for parents, it is also relatively subtle for a kid's show.
 
Endless Flight said:
I kinda wish they didn’t do that again in Kenobi, which actually takes place before Rebels in continuity, but it was a cool sequence.
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I though the whole Kenobi series was unnecessary, and didn't make a lot of sense (continuity from the original films getting stretched thin enough to be transparent again), but turning my mind off, it was still enjoyable, if it probably couldve been half the length.

Ewan McGregor is just so damn charismatic.
 
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