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This is just a different approach to fiction. Talk of secondary and tertiary sources makes it sound like historical research and heads into "canon" style stuff. To me it's just a sprawling mass of fiction developed over the years by lots of different people in film, computer games and comics. There have been religious themes in that body of material for a long time. I'm happy to see the RPG draw on as much of that stuff as possible.
Don't get me wrong, I like to see how a script develops into a final product. And how ideas can evolve and change. But using them as sources for a product? Or as a position to base an opinion on a text from? It's using the 1974 draft of Star Wars as official source material.
 
Don't get me wrong, I like to see how a script develops into a final product. And how ideas can evolve and change. But using them as sources for a product? Or as a position to base an opinion on a text from? It's using the 1974 draft of Star Wars as official source material.
Yeah well this is what I mean about approaching fiction in a different way. If somebody made a Batman RPG and took an idea common to an early draft of the 1989 film which is also found in the comics, I'd be fine with it. Or how the DCAU's story with Mr. Freeze and his wife is my default take on him, despite it not being from the comics.

I'm even hoping for the supplement they hinted at in the core that will cover the Stage VII xenomorph forms like the Queen Mother, the Empress and the King even though that's pure comic fanboy stuff: "woooo!! an even bigger alien!!".

I don't see a need to stick to the theatrical or special releases of the films because they're "primary". Hell I've been on Alien sites long enough that it's a well worn topic (like "storygame vs trad" in this hobby) that some people absolutely hate the Xenomorph's "Eggmorphing" ability reintroduced in the 2003 Director's Cut of Alien and don't consider it "canon", so even with the films there are ambiguities. Of course the RPG includes Eggmorphing and stuff from the Colonial Marines Technical Manual, etc.

The comics and games are as much a part of the franchise for me as the films. Any of that stuff you don't like just don't use it in a campaign.
 
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Yeah well this is what I mean about approaching fiction in a different way. If somebody made a Batman RPG and took and idea common to an early draft of the 1989 film which is also found in the comics, I'd be fine with it. Or how the DCAU's story with Mr. Freeze and his wife is my default take on him, despite it not being from the comics.

I'm even hoping for the supplement they hinted at in the core that will cover the Stage VII xenomorph forms like the Queen Mother, the Empress and the King even though that's pure comic fanboy stuff: "woooo!! an even bigger alien!!".

I don't see a need to stick to the theatrical or special releases of the films because they're "primary". Hell I've been on Alien sites long enough that it's a well worn topic (like "storygame vs trad" in this hobby) that some people absolutely hate the Xenomorph's "Eggmorphing" ability reintroduced in the 2003 Director's Cut of Alien and don't consider it "canon", so even with the films there are ambiguities. Of course the RPG includes Eggmorphing and stuff from the Colonial Marines Technical Manual, etc.

The comics and games are as much a part of the franchise for me as the films. Any of that stuff you don't like just don't use it in a campaign.
Oddly enough, the egg thing was in the Alan Dean Foster novelisation. Which I'd internalised to the point where I thought it was in the film. And was mildly surprised that its was not in the original cut.

And yes, he Alien films are an inconsistent mess. It's what happens when a franchise doesn't have a visionary in charge of it.
 
It's what happens when a franchise doesn't have a visionary in charge of it.
It's the rare franchise that does have one visionary in charge. Which is what makes the MCU so unique and successful. It seems that more studios would do the same thing.
 
It is a very different age in movies though.

Alien getting a big(gish) budget sequel was novelty enough, that Scott considered being involved was surprising. Not because it was a bad idea, just because directors rarely wanted to stay on for sequels, especially to genre films.

ALIEN media, overall, is a total mess. The movies are (versus Predator excluded) pretty coherent given the number of different creative minds involved. True, I think every attempt to define or describe the creature has been bad, but the movies themselves are generally solid and none are too cheap or bad. The feeling of continuity is there. It isn't a JAWS or a Halloween-like franchise.
 
Oddly enough, the egg thing was in the Alan Dean Foster novelisation. Which I'd internalised to the point where I thought it was in the film. And was mildly surprised that its was not in the original cut.

And yes, he Alien films are an inconsistent mess. It's what happens when a franchise doesn't have a visionary in charge of it.

Now I wish I still had the issue of Starlog where James Cameron wrote in after an article on Aliens. He threw out the idea that the Xenomorohs could create lures to draw in victims, and what looks like a spaceship filled with an Alien Hive is really a hive that had its outer layers made to look like a spaceship to draw humans in....

EDIT: I’m an idiot. Turns out I still gad the issue, and after all these decades had confused Jakes Cameron writing in with someone who quoted other aspects of what Cameron said on personal thoughts on the Xenomorpg physiology and then added his own commentary with it.
 
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I always liked that the xenomorph is never seen eating in most iterations. In some of the comics it's remarked that in captivity they don't seem to require any sustenance , so it's not clear how they're still standing.

If the sort of acid in their blood is unknown.
 
I always liked that the xenomorph is never seen eating in most iterations. In some of the comics it's remarked that in captivity they don't seem to require any sustenance , so it's not clear how they're still standing.

If the sort of acid in their blood is unknown.
From the novelisation, the acid was actually a layer between an inner and outer skin. Ash theorised that it was a defense mechanism. I'm assuming they changed that for the movie quite late in development.
 
I always liked that the xenomorph is never seen eating in most iterations. In some of the comics it's remarked that in captivity they don't seem to require any sustenance , so it's not clear how they're still standing.

That reminds me that the few Alien comics I didn’t give away had Royal Jelly and its mutative properties on humans who ate it. Was that ever given much coverage in tie-in media to the films?
 
That reminds me that the few Alien comics I didn’t give away had Royal Jelly and its mutative properties on humans who ate it. Was that ever given much coverage in tie-in media to the films?
Not really. It only appears in a few comic continuities and some of the games, where it is either a mutagen or narcotic. It's in a novel that ties in with the second film in some ways written back in 2014 called "River of Pain".
 
I like slow paced, pondering science fiction. 2001 is essentialy the opposite of Star Wars - it's not pulp or space fantasy, it's closer to a speculative documentary, which is why the ending hits so hard for me. I can completely understand people finding it boring, but for me it has so much value beyond simply watching it...

I watched again 2001 in a theater for the 50th anniversary, after many years, and, in that occasion, I just realized the "food odyssey", a storyline itself in the movie that escaped me previously. Starting from the apes eating seeds before enjoying meat, the food of astronauts, until the sumptuous dinner near the end. Fascinating.
 
I watched again 2001 in a theater for the 50th anniversary, after many years, and, in that occasion, I just realized the "food odyssey", a storyline itself in the movie that escaped me previously. Starting from the apes eating seeds before enjoying meat, the food of astronauts, until the sumptuous dinner near the end. Fascinating.
With Kubrick I always get the sense that there’s a hidden subtext to everything, a communication he’s sending that people are barely receiving. I don’t know if all of it is intentional, or some of it is him pouring his subconscious into the film.
 
Hawley did Legion and Fargo so I find this exciting news.



Hawley's Fargo is a damn fine series, far better than I expected.

Though I still want to see Alien: Awakening happen, that looks less likely as time goes on and this series is sounding about as good as I could hope for as an alternative. A series about the corporations and governments of the ALIEN universe has the potential to be interesting.
 
Well, this thread has sold at least one copy of the game. I'll be eating saltines and mustard all week though. Worth it!

Speaking as someone who has soured on overly complex games in recent times, this seems pretty straightforward and easy to run. I'll have to check out some of the publisher's other titles.
 
Well, this thread has sold at least one copy of the game. I'll be eating saltines and mustard all week though. Worth it!

Speaking as someone who has soured on overly complex games in recent times, this seems pretty straightforward and easy to run. I'll have to check out some of the publisher's other titles.
I backed the T2000v4 Kickstarter and liked the system presented in the .pdfs so much that I'm already well into running Living Steel using it (4 sessions is "well in" isnt it?). I also picked up the Alien box set on a whim at my FLGS and, while I haven't run that, I really liked the cinematic vs campaign rules and the layout they used.
 
Got my copy. Its gorgeous! I'm working double shifts right now so not much time to do anything but skim but I want to run this for sure. Pregens will be a hard sell for my crew so intimidation tactics might come into play.

"We dont like pregen characters!"

"You want me to run something else, but shirtless?"

"...pregens will be fine."

Also, I contacted Free League about possibly releasing the GM screen as pdf/pod inserts for dtrpgs deluxe screen and was told "almost no one releases those in pdf, so no" and I was reminded that I paid $30 for a blank screen that I never get to use.

Edit: customer service got back to me again to inform me they're passing the idea along to the project managers.
 
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So for people going to be running this in Campaign Mode, what’s your campaign’s canon about the fate of Ripley, Newt, Hicks and Bishop?
 
Who? I think those files are *REDACTED*, *REDACTED* and well above your *REDACTED*.
Tell you what though, I admire your initiative. We've a sensitive mission coming up and you'd be just the fellow to act as corporate liaison.
 
So for people going to be running this in Campaign Mode, what’s your campaign’s canon about the fate of Ripley, Newt, Hicks and Bishop?
I think that the default setting for Campaign mode takes place in the existing movie canon, which means that the events of Alien^3 take place (they mention losing contact with the prison planet). Your campaign could follow the comic book timeline easily if you prefer that though. (Mine would, but it's still on my "to do" list)
 
So for people going to be running this in Campaign Mode, what’s your campaign’s canon about the fate of Ripley, Newt, Hicks and Bishop?
I had it where the theories about the destruction of Hadley's Hope was an urban legend, some thinking it was 1. bio weapon gone awry, 2. competitors nuking bioweapons lab and others believing 3. it really has to do with WY taking control of colonies.

These are the notes I used from the core book:

"The year is 2183—little more than three years since the destruction of the Hadley’s Hope colony on LV-426, the disappearance of the USS Sulaco, and the closing of the prison and lead works on Fiorina 161. The loss of the Sulaco’s Colonial Marine unit along with these Weyland-Yutani sponsored outposts, and the implications of corporate foul play stemming from these incidents, have created an air of distrust between the company and the United Americas."​
"The only publicly made exposition of these events deals only with the aftermath on Fiorina 161. The book is titled Space Beast and is convict Robert Morse’s alleged account of an alien “dragon” that overran the facility and brutally slew two dozen double-Y chromo inmates and their custodial staff.​
The book gives credence both to talk of monsters and to rumors of Weyland-Yutani experimentation with bioweapons—indicating they were more concerned about securing the creature for further study than saving lives. According to Morse, the hunt to capture the beast had spilled over from the incident on LV-426, and anyone who got in the Company’s way was expendable—be they prisoners, soldiers, employees, or even colonists.​
"Although banned instantly, copies of Space Beast have been transmitted illegally throughout the colonies. The book has developed a strong following. Some see it as a fantasy, a welcome diversion from their normal lives. Others have embraced Morse’s story and built a millenarian cult around it—believing it to be a religious text and a portent of the Armageddon to come."​
"many believe that Hadley’s Hope was a test site for one of Weyland-Yutani’s bioweapons and that an enemy state sent a warship to nuke it from orbit. Others believe that the Company is working with a rogue nation to assume control of the colonies on the Frontier."​
 
I had it where the theories about the destruction of Hadley's Hope was an urban legend, some thinking it was 1. bio weapon gone awry, 2. competitors nuking bioweapons lab and others believing 3. it really has to do with WY taking control of colonies.

These are the notes I used from the core book:

"The year is 2183—little more than three years since the destruction of the Hadley’s Hope colony on LV-426, the disappearance of the USS Sulaco, and the closing of the prison and lead works on Fiorina 161. The loss of the Sulaco’s Colonial Marine unit along with these Weyland-Yutani sponsored outposts, and the implications of corporate foul play stemming from these incidents, have created an air of distrust between the company and the United Americas."​
"The only publicly made exposition of these events deals only with the aftermath on Fiorina 161. The book is titled Space Beast and is convict Robert Morse’s alleged account of an alien “dragon” that overran the facility and brutally slew two dozen double-Y chromo inmates and their custodial staff.​
The book gives credence both to talk of monsters and to rumors of Weyland-Yutani experimentation with bioweapons—indicating they were more concerned about securing the creature for further study than saving lives. According to Morse, the hunt to capture the beast had spilled over from the incident on LV-426, and anyone who got in the Company’s way was expendable—be they prisoners, soldiers, employees, or even colonists.​
"Although banned instantly, copies of Space Beast have been transmitted illegally throughout the colonies. The book has developed a strong following. Some see it as a fantasy, a welcome diversion from their normal lives. Others have embraced Morse’s story and built a millenarian cult around it—believing it to be a religious text and a portent of the Armageddon to come."​
"many believe that Hadley’s Hope was a test site for one of Weyland-Yutani’s bioweapons and that an enemy state sent a warship to nuke it from orbit. Others believe that the Company is working with a rogue nation to assume control of the colonies on the Frontier."​
So basically the post-Alien 3 canon of the book.
 
Yes, my group leaned more towards WT power grab and all bioweapons stuff was an excuse. Still, they were overly cautious and suited completely up when ever I mentioned "spores."
 
Never? I'm amazed by that.

Is there a reason you avoided them or something?
I was never a big fan of horror/slasher movies as a kid so I avoided them even as an adult. I’ve never seen any of the Aliens, none of the Nightmares, none of the Friday movies, just part of one Halloween movie, none of the Poltergeists, I’ve seen about ten minutes of the Exorcist. Etc etc. Basically if there’s a (cult) classic horror movie you named, there’s a 99% chance I haven’t seen it.
 
Even the original Aliens movie isn't a horror/slasher movie. They're more suspense/thriller than anything else, with the second being a suspense/action movie. I'd not group them together with those others by a long shot.
 
Even the original Aliens movie isn't a horror/slasher movie. They're more suspense/thriller than anything else, with the second being a suspense/action movie. I'd not group them together with those others by a long shot.
You weren’t going to convince 12 year old me of that. The 48 year old me agrees with you. I’d probably watch it if it were on TV but it’s not on my must-see list.
 
Even the original Aliens movie isn't a horror/slasher movie. They're more suspense/thriller than anything else, with the second being a suspense/action movie. I'd not group them together with those others by a long shot.

Yeah, Alien and Aliens are some of the greatest movies ever made, whether or not you call them sci-fi/horror/thriller/suspense/action movies.
 
Greatest movies ever made??? Are you trying to tell me it’s up there with Predator?

I consider Alien one of the greatest horror films, probably in my top 5 definitely in my top 10.

The second half of the film is actually not dissimilar to a slasher although obviously made with a much greater level of craft than most slashers.

I'm not that big of a fan of Aliens but 80s American action films aren't usually my thing (although I do like Predator!).
 
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