CRKrueger
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Yes, they are.Greatest movies ever made??? Are you trying to tell me it’s up there with Predator?
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Yes, they are.Greatest movies ever made??? Are you trying to tell me it’s up there with Predator?
Seriously, Alien is as much a Sci-fi classic must-see as those are. Just think of someone saying they've never seen Predator or Terminator to you. That's how we feel when you say you've never seen Alien.I have to admit, my love for Predator has grown over the years. It used to be down under a few other Arnold films, but it's pretty much at the top now with Terminator.
Heh, Predator's not even remotely in the same class of 4th-wall breaking fun that Commando is.Yeah same with me, I didn't like a number of 80s action films at the time but now I appreciate the ones that seem more aware of their absurdity, like Predator and Commando, or conversely are completely unaware of their absurdity, like Cobra and Invasion USA.
One reason I think they quickly paled for me is somewhere in the early 90s I discovered HK action films and it made the fight and action scenes in US films look like amateurish and flat in comparison.
I only watched Last Action Hero in the last year or so and enjoyed it a lot. I think by that point Arnold was relaxed enough to be really charming on screen.
Heh, Predator's not even remotely in the same class of 4th-wall breaking fun that Commando is.
Yeah Commando's just an action movie, no matter how fun it is. Not really the same as Terminators and Predator.I enjoy Commando but it's probably behind films like Terminator 2 and Total Recall. The only thing that bugs me about the latter is that I think it looks ugly. Like the way it was filmed.
I enjoy Commando but it's probably behind films like Terminator 2 and Total Recall. The only thing that bugs me about the latter is that I think it looks ugly. Like the way it was filmed.
I just watched Alien again a few days ago and it's still great. The first half is like if someone took the best parts of Lovecraft's At the Mountains of Madness and distilled it into pure greatness. Twelve year old me decided he would join the Marine Corps after watching Aliens so you can imagine the influence it had on meI’ve never seen any of the Alien movies. Is the Earth an overpopulated polluted wasteland in their future?
Now watch Aliens, completely different type of movie. Watch the Special Edition though.I finished watching it. The second hour was much improved from the first, mainly because of the scene with Ripley sneaking around with the flamethrower. I’m sure that’s an iconic scene for Alien fans. When it got down to the three crew members, I knew the other two would be dead because they made enough noise to wake the dead when they were gathering supplies or whatever they were after. The last twenty minutes was the best part of the movie for me, basically everything after the two were killed up until the end. Would I call this one of the greatest movies ever? It’s not ever going to be one of mine but I could kind of see why others would say yes. I like the atmosphere of the movie but I found some of the character actions to be nonsensical. Anyway, I gave it a shot.
The cool thing about the original 3 Alien movies is how they all feel so much like their directors while still not feeling disjointed from each other (especially if you watch the director's cut of Alien 3).Now watch Aliens, completely different type of movie. Watch the Special Edition though.
Heh, it’s funny.The cool thing about the original 3 Alien movies is how they all feel so much like their directors while still not feeling disjointed from each other (especially if you watch the director's cut of Alien 3).
Alien is so clearly a Ridley Scott film. Aliens is iconic James Cameron (Aliens is my favorite), Alien 3 (director's cut anyway) feels very much like David Fincher. Yet all three still feel very cohesive.
(Resurrection does feel like Whedon (though he was the writer not the director), but uh... I don't feel like Whedon worked for Alien at all. I still wonder what Resurrection would have been like if it instead felt like a Jean-Pierre Jeunet movie (the actual director)...)
Oh it is, believe me. It’s a James Cameron film all the way. If you liked Terminator 2, you should like Aliens.Maybe in a couple weeks CRKrueger. I can tell if I like a movie if I want to see it again. I don’t think I’d ever watch Alien again if I had a choice. I’m wary about the sequel being that much of a difference.
Whether you like it or not doesn't really enter into it; Alien is a gamer pop culture essential, like Ghostbusters and The Other Guys.Maybe in a couple weeks CRKrueger. I can tell if I like a movie if I want to see it again. I don’t think I’d ever watch Alien again if I had a choice. I’m wary about the sequel being that much of a difference.
I was aware of the stuff with the Assembly Cut (honestly couldn't remember the name of it), but I still feel like it feels more like Fincher than the original cut.Aliens 3: The Assembly Cut isn’t a Director’s Cut either. Like Alien, Fox wanted all the cut scenes thrown in there and remastered. Fincher told them to go fuck themselves, he wanted nothing to do with it. So someone assembled and remastered the cut scenes according to his production notes. That’s why it’s called The Assembly Cut.
Maybe in a couple weeks CRKrueger. I can tell if I like a movie if I want to see it again. I don’t think I’d ever watch Alien again if I had a choice. I’m wary about the sequel being that much of a difference.
I think of Aliens more as happening in a parallel universe in which Alien played out exactly the same as in the original.You are in for a surprise. Aliens is probably the best example of a movie that is a great sequel but also is a classic in its own right.
Well, we are on a thread about an RPG using the property. I’m aware of that. I like Ghostbusters better.Whether you like it or not doesn't really enter into it; Alien is a gamer pop culture essential, like Ghostbusters and The Other Guys.
I agree with you about the set design on Alien. It might be the best part of the movie. I thought the acting was good. I thought Weaver and Holm were the standouts.For me Alien works just based on the acting, design, atmosphere and intensity. The script is solid but not what makes it a remarkable movie. It is a film dedicated to an overwhelming sense of dread.
I much prefer Alien to Aliens as Aliens last quarter indulges in too much Cameron silliness and sentimentality for me but if you're a fan of Terminator 2 you'll probably dig Aliens more. Personally I far prefer the gritty minimalism of Terminator to T2.
As to greatest films of all time...I prefer to break that down by genre. It is kind of nonsensical to compare, say, Dreyer's The Passion of Joan of Arc to The Shining, both are great films but in very different ways.
Alien and Aliens transcend their respective genres of horror and action to simply be great films.
As much as I love Predator, I don’t know that I’d call it a great film so much as a great action film.
Personally I think the Predator and his heat vision are scarier than anything the Alien did. When he’s chasing Arnold and he’s literally like a foot behind him and then they fall into the waterfalls is classic stuff.
Predator gets way too super heroey at the end for me to consider it a horror movie. The rest of it….absolutely.
No Final Girl was ever this badass...not even Ripley.The ending is a mirror of the ending of Nightmare on Elm Street, with the Final Girl (in this case Arnold) discovering the monster's weakness and setting up a bunch of improvised booby traps (in a dramatically scored montage) before the final cat-and-mouse showdown
I think of Aliens more as happening in a parallel universe in which Alien played out exactly the same as in the original.
There was a good segment on Ken & Robin Talk About Stuff a few months ago about the self-destruct panel and how its builder was into Theosophy and what that implies for the setting. I'm not sure either of them have read the RPG, mind.I agree with you about the set design on Alien. It might be the best part of the movie.