If you had to choose one edition of D&D....

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If the only RPG you could play was official D&D, which edition would you choose?


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Yeah there are more than a few groups within the hobby that plays, publishes, and promotes classic editions of D&D that proudly proclaim "fuck the OSR" or "I am not part of the OSR." Like there is somebody going around stamping OSR in indelible ink on the back of people's hands.
Well, it's either that or the forehead: " A third angel followed, shouting aloud, 'All those who worship the beast and his statue, or have had themselves branded on the hand or forehead...'" :devil:
 
Well, it's either that or the forehead: " A third angel followed, shouting aloud, 'All those who worship the beast and his statue, or have had themselves branded on the hand or forehead...'" :devil:
Exactly what I thought about. I guess robertsconley robertsconley wanted to reference it, too:grin:?
 
Where did the whole “play halflings as annoying little mischievous shits” come from anyway? The famous Bilbo, Sam and Frodo weren’t like that at all.

God I hate generic fantasy clichés. Also the near religious fanatical devotion to dwarves being macho drunk warriors with scottish accents. Fucking hell can people be any more boring?!?!

Edit: i dont mind dwarves being dour and serious at all. I still remember old John Howe and Alan Lee paintings of norse dwarves playing harps, making epic weapons for heroes and generally being mythical and mysterious.
 
If I had my way I'd prefer dwarfs to be like Howard's 'Worms Of The Earth'... creepy, feral, semi-reptilian subhumans.
A million times this.

I prefer my elves like Melniboneans. An ancient culture in a slow decline; deeply conservative in the face of change, highly decadent, and disdainful of all non-elves. Possessing a baroque sense of humor and aesthetic values that are perverse and unknowable to mortals. Feline sophistication and cruelty.
 
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A million times this.

I prefer my elves like Melniboneans. An ancient culture in a slow decline; deeply conservative in the face of change, highly decadent, and disdainful of all non-elves. Possessing a baroque sense of humor and aesthetic values that are perverse and unknowable to mortals. Feline sophistication and cruelty.
I like a dark elf to be more Melnibonean. With regular elves more like the Vadagh.

What we get is +1 Dex and Drow.
 
Derro. Or rather, dero.

jg

The crazy thing about dero as you may know is that Gygax clearly got the idea from a pulp sf writer Richard Sharpe Shaver, who later claimed they were for real and that he could find proof of them in messages they left in rock formations.

The artwork he produced from his ‘rock books’ is pretty fascinating outside art.

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I assumed it was the Shaver dero he was referencing.
They show up in a wierd Japanese movie, Marebito.
 
I assumed it was the Shaver dero he was referencing.
They show up in a wierd Japanese movie, Marebito.

I’ve seen Marebito but never made the connection but that was before I read about Shaver.
 
Hm, aren't 12-year-olds more like goblins?

Anyway, this all goes to show that halflings really are a redundant race.
Which is the exact reason I tend to ignore them. And in all fairness, I can count on the fingers of less than one hand the amountof times I've seen them played
 
Which is the exact reason I tend to ignore them. And in all fairness, I can count on the fingers of less than one hand the amountof times I've seen them played
I keep thinking that something about them could be changed to make them fel less redundant and less similar to other small demihumans, but you always end up with something that already exists.
 
I keep thinking that something about them could be changed to make them fel less redundant and less similar to other small demihumans, but you always end up with something that already exists.
I think it's either play them at face value or ignore them.

I feel that way about all fantasy races, now I think about it.
 
I can only think of one halfling player character (more elves and dwarves than anything) in 30+ years playing. I think the character name was Boggle Gigglestump or something like that.

But it makes sense if they are JRRT Hobbits. . . sticking to the quiet life in the Shire.
 
Idk, I've never had any hate for any of the D&D player races. Even the weird ones. Are they kind of cliche and derivative? Sure... but so is like... almost all of D&D as far as its fluff.
Yeah. I've got mine - you can probably guess which - and other people getting theirs too is going to make them happy too, and not hurt me at all.
 
My only objection to the various races comes when players expect all the races to be available regardless of whether they fit the campaign world or the specific setting within it. I remember I once prepared an information packet listing which races were available as PCs with details of how they differed from the defaults presented in the PHB. Somehow one player in any group always insists on just wanting to play the one race I absolutely couldn't fit into the world at hand.
 
Hm, aren't 12-year-olds more like goblins?
I know too many who are stupidly fearless, and their alignment is definitely on the Chaotic end of the spectrum.
Yeah. I've got mine - you can probably guess which - and other people getting theirs too is going to make them happy too, and not hurt me at all.
I usually include them when I'm GMing for the sake of the players, although it's always tricky when, like Teyrnon Teyrnon says, a player wants to run a character race that you hadn't built into the setting.
 
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I can only think of one halfling player character (more elves and dwarves than anything) in 30+ years playing. I think the character name was Boggle Gigglestump or something like that.

But it makes sense if they are JRRT Hobbits. . . sticking to the quiet life in the Shire.

Really? They've always made good thieves to me.
 
Hm, aren't 12-year-olds more like goblins?

Anyway, this all goes to show that halflings really are a redundant race.
No, that's D&D Gnomes. They're like a cross between Halflings and Dwarfs, with nothing unique about them beyond illusion magic, which makes no sense given that they tended to be about the same size as the Dwarf race.
 
I like gnomes, but I imagine them more like small foresty dudes with some magic, not annoying tinkerers. More like the gnomes of folklore.
 
DragonLance has a lot to answer for.
I think with simple B/X style race-as-class gnomes you could go for the small, foresty and slightly magical type and leave out the tinkering.
 
I think with simple B/X style race-as-class gnomes you could go for the small, foresty and slightly magical type and leave out the tinkering.
Or you could, and here's a controversial opinion, not worry about them and just stick with the options the game provides.

I know it's a pretty radical idea and isn't to everyone's taste. But not changing things is always an option.
 
DragonLance has a lot to answer for.
Tinkering was a cute attempt at trying to make Gnomes into something interesting. They were already too close to Dwarfs with their fascination with precious stones and metals, they needed something more than being 'half-Dwarfs'. It hasn't really worked, Gnomes are still as dull and boring and too close to being Dwarf and Halflings with no real identity of their own.
 
Tinkering was a cute attempt at trying to make Gnomes into something interesting. They were already too close to Dwarfs with their fascination with precious stones and metals, they needed something more than being 'half-Dwarfs'. It hasn't really worked, Gnomes are still as dull and boring and too close to being Dwarf and Halflings with no real identity of their own.
Their fascination with precious stones and metals also goes out the door, obviously.
 
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