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I found this today.



I liked it as it follows on from Rebels and Rogue One in showing Vader almost as an unstoppable force of nature.
 
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CRKrueger said:
I found this today.



I liked it as it follows on from Rebels and Rogue One in showing Vader almost as an unstoppable force of nature.
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That made me laugh cause Star Wars lightsaber duels are super cheesy. However, if that would have been the actual duel in the movie when I saw it as a kid, it would have scared the beejeezus out of me.
 
I never really understood how people see these Jedi with kung fu monk powers, but once the Light Sabers come out, that just vanishes, like Jedi Powers never existed. I never understood that.

Maybe I'm making stuff up, but we're told that it takes decades of training and meditation techniques, and again, maybe I never got it, but I always 'understood' that it would 'affect' their combat. Wouldn't they they be using Force powers to counter each other?
 
Chris Brady said:
I never really understood how people see these Jedi with kung fu monk powers, but once the Light Sabers come out, that just vanishes, like Jedi Powers never existed. I never understood that.

Maybe I'm making stuff up, but we're told that it takes decades of training and meditation techniques, and again, maybe I never got it, but I always 'understood' that it would 'affect' their combat. Wouldn't they they be using Force powers to counter each other?
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They are. They augment their strength and speed during the combat, and whole forms are based around the use of them to do so. For example, in Episode III Anakin bests Dooku when he lost against him in his last battle. This was because of a change in styles.

Count Dooku was a fencer, using Form II (Makashi). This form of lightsaber combat depended on leverage and positioning, and turned the opponent's force against themselves. One of the advantages of Form II is its level of control and one-on-one domination. It does have its flaws, the most telling in this engagement being the lack of the ability to generate momentum in both its offensive and defensive maneuvers. Against Anakin in the first encounter, this was not a problem; though Skywalker used Form V (Shien) against Dooku, he was not at this time, extraordinarily proficient, and wasn't as practiced in Jar'Kai when he tried to use his fury against Dooku after saving Kenobi from Dooku's blade, resulting in the loss of his arm.

However, in the battle where he defeated Dooku, two things were in play. At first, Dooku was attempting to hold back, in deference to Sidious' wishes. When he began to defend in earnest, he found that he couldn't generate the necessary energy to ward off Skywalker's newfound proficiency in the Form V variant Djem So, which is characterized by power attacks and defense immediately followed by a counter-strike. Djem So is the counterpart of Shien, and encourages aggression and domination, to not only counterattack, but also to press the assault, combining Force-enhanced strength with powerful blade combinations to overpower and overwhelm an opponent's defenses. Skywalker was a natural at the style which was the reason for his change from Shien to Djem So, and the defenses of Form II were not up to warding off such, to Dooku's lament.

CRKrueger said:
I found this today.



I liked it as it follows on from Rebels and Rogue One in showing Vader almost as an unstoppable force of nature.
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I love that edit. That's one change I wouldn't have minded Lucas making to the original, rather than making Greedo shoot first.
 
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Chris Brady said:
I never really understood how people see these Jedi with kung fu monk powers, but once the Light Sabers come out, that just vanishes, like Jedi Powers never existed. I never understood that.

Maybe I'm making stuff up, but we're told that it takes decades of training and meditation techniques, and again, maybe I never got it, but I always 'understood' that it would 'affect' their combat. Wouldn't they they be using Force powers to counter each other?
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Like in The Rise of Skywalker where Ren and Rey Force-blocked each other’s lightsabers in their duel on Kef Bir?
 
Endless Flight said:
Like in The Rise of Skywalker where Ren and Rey Force-blocked each other’s lightsabers in their duel on Kef Bir?
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Yeah, that too. We see them using their force powers in overt ways in a lot of fights.
 
Lemme clarify. I meant the fans, whenever they dissect the lightsaber fights. It's always a discussion as if Jedi powers aren't a thing.
 
Chris Brady said:
Lemme clarify. I meant the fans, whenever they dissect the lightsaber fights. It's always a discussion as if Jedi powers aren't a thing.
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Even with Jedi powers, certain things will remain the same if you're dueling with swords. Some of the things in that video are pretty obvious, and in an interview with one of the stuntmen, they confirm a lot of what he said. It's no mystical mumbo-jumbo (in Han's words) making the choreo like that. It was the actors missing marks.
 
My personal favorite saber fight is still Luke and Vader on Bespin because of the tight quarters.

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Bob Anderson and Mark Hamill doing the scene. You can tell it's Bob because he's a lot shorter and skinnier than David Prowse. Way better swordsman though!
 
My personal favorite is Qui-Gonn and Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul. One of the few instances of 2 on one combat, and Ray Park made Darth Maul seem the force that he was supposed to be.
 
Mandalorian S2e03 Thoughts:

Liked the look of the new planet, different than anything I've seen in Star Wars up to that point, but in keeping with the Star Wars notion of "a singe geographical area/feature/theme = a planet", in this case a pirate-esque "Port" planet.

Really liked seeing AT-AT Walker-type technology shown repurposed for practical/civilian activities

Asoka Tano name-dropped, so looks like we're going to be meeting up with a Jedi. I really hope that it's more of a one-off though, and they don't start dominating the series.

Overall, not my favourite episode, it felt like a filler, a bunch of dropped hints for future stuff. Don't trust the fake Mandalorians, can see them being villains in the future.

Hope we get to see the Frog-lizard couple again.
 
TristramEvans said:
Mandalorian S2e03 Thoughts:

Liked the look of the new planet, different than anything I've seen in Star Wars up to that point, but in keeping with the Star Wars notion of "a singe geographical are = a planet", in this case a pirate-esque "Port" planet.

Really liked seeing AT-AT Walker-type technology shown repurposed for practicalcivilian activities

Asoka Tano name-dropped, so looks like we're going to be meeting up with a Jedi. I really hope that it's more of a one-off though, and they don't start dominating the series.

Overall, not my favourite episode, it felt like a filler, a bunch of dropped hints for future stuff. Don't trust the fake Mandalorians, can see them being villains in the future.

Hope we get to see the Frog-lizard couple again.
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Walker tech pops up in civilian use throughout Legends but also in the Solo film. I wouldn’t expect to see too much Ahsoka, the force is a big part of the SW universe but would diminish the Mandalorian theme if it became too prevalent, celeb guest star is my guess.

I can definitely see them being potential foils for Din if Favreau wants to take it that way but Bo-Katan and the Nite Owls are hardly fake Mandalorians.

Shame you didn’t enjoy it though, episode had so much for me, proper imperials, the Gozanti cruiser and Mandos owing the stormtroopers.

Loved it, can’t wait for next week. Some very subtle Easter eggs and nods this time. Excepting the name drop and guests.
 
Y Mab Darogan said:
Shame you didn’t enjoy it though, episode had so much for me, proper imperials, the Gozanti cruiser and Mandos owing the stormtroopers.
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It was still a fun watch, the show is still the best thing on "TV" this year, but it just felt like a pitstop on the way instead of a self-contained episode, I may enjoy it more on subsequent viewings when I don't have to wait a week for the next installment.
 
TristramEvans said:
It was still a fun watch, the show is still the best thing on "TV" this year, but it just felt like a pitstop on the way instead of a self-contained episode, I may enjoy it more on subsequent viewings when I don't have to wait a week for the next installment.
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I can understand that, I’ve embraced the weekly drop approach for the excitement of looking forward to Friday, but I do feel spoiled by the tendency now to binge entire series. I do wish they’d settle the show at a standard length of an hour, I don’t agree that they’d have to use filler to do it, just good writing.
 
I'm finally up to S2E1of The Mandalorian.
I've complained before about how dull it is to keep returning to Tatooine. After watching both Tatooine episodes of The Mandalorian, I am completely retracting my complaint. I was just soured by how completely lame it was in The Phantom Menace. Tatooine is awesome when you go back and portray it as it was in the original movie.

I liked what they did with the Tusken Raiders. The obvious retcon would be to have the Tusken Raiders simply be misunderstood victims. They didn't do that, instead acknowledging that they are violent raiders, but ones willing to make a deal to take out a serious threat. From an RPG perspective, you can still use them as combat monsters, but also parley with them if you actually have something to offer.[/quote]
 
Y Mab Darogan said:
I can understand that, I’ve embraced the weekly drop approach for the excitement of looking forward to Friday, but I do feel spoiled by the tendency now to binge entire series. I do wish they’d settle the show at a standard length of an hour, I don’t agree that they’d have to use filler to do it, just good writing.
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From a forum-centric perspective, the weekly drop is the best model. Everyone has a week to pick apart the last episode and engage in speculation about what is coming next. The binge model means that everyone is out of sync with each other and can't safely talk about the show until they are done with the season.
 
I should watch some of this stuff. Clone Wars and The Mandalorian sound like pretty much the only decent Star Wars media content made in the past three decades (outside books and video games).
 
Nobby-W said:
I should watch some of this stuff. Clone Wars and The Mandalorian sound like pretty much the only decent Star Wars media content made in the past three decades (outside books and video games).
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The Clone Wars was the best media in Star Wars since the original trilogy and at times even better.
 
That's high praise.

Is the Clone Wars complete? How many seasons is it?
 
He's executive producer of The Mandalorian, and directed/wrote several episodes

Which may be why we're seeing Clone Wars stuff showing up. I have mixed feelings about that, but so far, up until the latest episode, never felt like I was missing out on any part of the story not having consumed the other media.
 
Endless Flight said:
Dave Filoni was the showrunner for the Clone Wars and he is George Lucas' protégé. He gets Star Wars more than anyone else at Disney, even Jon Favreau.

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I was afraid Clone Wars went into too much high space fantasy when delving into the force myth. But I guess I will try to watch the whole thing.

Crazy Mandalorian episode right guys? My god I love the visual of this show.

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One of my favorite Clone Wars arcs happens in season six. It features Yoda and his journey to learn about the netherworld of the Force. Features the return of Liam Neeson voicing Qui-Gon Jinn. It was the final arc of the series before Disney made a "final" season seven.

The episodes are "Voices", "Destiny" and "Sacrifice".
 
Nobby-W said:
I should watch some of this stuff. Clone Wars and The Mandalorian sound like pretty much the only decent Star Wars media content made in the past three decades (outside books and video games).
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Check out Rebels as well. Filoni used to play Star Wars D6, and Rebels is basically a TV series that game. I defy anyone to watch episode 3 of the series, "Fighter Flight", and tell me that isn't exactly the kind of thing that happens during a typical gaming session.

It's shortly before the original trilogy, so the aesthetic is easier to take than Clone Wars for people with an allergy to the prequels. They spent a lot of time going over unused McQuarrie concept art from the original movies when making the show. In fact, one of the main characters looks like the unused original art for Chewbacca.

There is a Jedi in the main cast, but he is literally the failed Jedi archetype from WEG Star Wars, not a superhero.
Endless Flight said:
Dave Filoni was the showrunner for the Clone Wars and he is George Lucas' protégé. He gets Star Wars more than anyone else at Disney, even Jon Favreau.

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Total agreement.
 
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The question I have is that according to canon, the Empire was defeated at the Battle of Jakku approximately one year after the Battle of Endor and formally surrendered. I'm curious that five years later, we see what looks to be a rather well-equipped portion of the Empire still running around the galaxy in the Mandalorian. This was supposed to be the time frame where the remnant Empire went into the Unknown Regions of space only to return a generation later as the First Order.
 
Endless Flight said:
The question I have is that according to canon, the Empire was defeated at the Battle of Jakku approximately one year after the Battle of Endor and formally surrendered. I'm curious that five years later, we see what looks to be a rather well-equipped portion of the Empire still running around the galaxy in the Mandalorian. This was supposed to be the time frame where the remnant Empire went into the Unknown Regions of space only to return a generation later as the First Order.
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Consistency was never a strong point of Star Wars canon. Most of it was written before there was ever a need perceived to keep it consistent.
 
Endless Flight said:
The question I have is that according to canon, the Empire was defeated at the Battle of Jakku approximately one year after the Battle of Endor and formally surrendered. I'm curious that five years later, we see what looks to be a rather well-equipped portion of the Empire still running around the galaxy in the Mandalorian. This was supposed to be the time frame where the remnant Empire went into the Unknown Regions of space only to return a generation later as the First Order.
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I was a bit surprised (even disappointed) to see actual Empire still around - like the officers, and full-on clean Stormtroopers. I guess Thrawn and that trilogy isn't "cannon" any longer, but Moff Gideon seems to be a lot like him, a sort of one-man vestige of the Empire? [/quote]
 
TristramEvans said:
I was a bit surprised (even disappointed) to see actual Empire still around - like the officers, and full-on clean Stormtroopers. I guess Thrawn and that trilogy isn't "cannon" any longer, but Moff Gideon seems to be a lot like him, a sort of one-man vestige of the Empire?
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Thrawn is still around in Rebels. I don't know the original villain, but he was quite a good one on the Rebel series. But yes, I got the same vibe from Moff Gideon.
 
I always liked this cover by Phil Noto. Give me the feels.

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