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I still don’t know why Smith had a smile on his face as he was walking away from Rock.
I wish I could get that drunk at work though.
Eeeehhh who defines the line that can get crossed? This invisible subjectivity line of “he deserved getting assaulted for words” is kind of dangerous and potentially victim blaming.There's a problem in the world where people can say things and then hide behind the law to avoid the consequences.
We'll have to agree to disagree. When you have a condition that you have no control over, mocking that condition is punching down.
Isn't the answer there "we all do on an individual level, applying our own personal views and morality system"? The world is murky.Eeeehhh who defines the line that can get crossed?
I'd agree, but the "self defense only" position is equally dangerous.This invisible subjectivity line of “he deserved getting assaulted for words” is kind of dangerous and potentially victim blaming.
The thing for me is that the joke has more ramifications than just the weird rich bubble that is the worlds of Rock and Smith.I agree that the joke was in bad taste and hackish but can't get too worked up over it compared to the behaviour of Smith. At least he has now apologized, which is what he should have done in his speech. The whole incident is a mixture of nasty, absurd and pathetic.
Jeff Woytovich, founder of the Children’s Alopecia Project, said Smith’s conduct divided opinion.
He said: “The thing is, somebody said something that was negative to somebody who had a medical diagnosis of alopecia … and that happens to kids all over the world, every single day.” Woytovich said Rock’s comments were more than a harmless joke.
Woytovich said Rock’s “GI Jane” joke could be used by children to bully others.
“GI Jane could be used as a derogatory remark to a little girl with alopecia, and I just thought to myself [that] something as simple as a little joke could actually have such impact,” said Woytovich. He said the focus on Smith hitting Rock has taken away attention from raising awareness about the autoimmune condition.
Even if the words are "come at me bro?"Eeeehhh who defines the line that can get crossed? This invisible subjectivity line of “he deserved getting assaulted for words” is kind of dangerous and potentially victim blaming.
I’m not defending anyone in this charade for upper-class narcissistic scientologists, however.
I'm not someone who believes that words are violence, merely that there are times when it's an appropriate response to words.
If a kid has been verbally bullied for two years, is he really to be condemned for lashing out at his tormentors?
I find that hard to believe. But even if so, you're being paid to write material that is potentially offensive. It seems that comedians should be held to higher standards to research their material when writing it. It was just a joke is not a valid excuse IMO.One of the local news anchors this morning said that Chris Rock had no idea about Jada Pinkett Smith's medical issue.
I agree that the joke was in bad taste and hackish but can't get too worked up over it compared to the behaviour of Smith. At least he has now apologized, which is what he should have done in his speech. The whole incident is a mixture of nasty, absurd and pathetic.
( From https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/29/chris-rock-will-smith-jada-pinkett-smith-alopecia )
That is the real issue here. What gets said on television ends up in the playground. (And from my perspective at least, the last line is the one thing that has actually made me think that Smith's behaviour was outrage worthy).
QFT from the article above.“In a world where bullying [and] suicide is prevalent, we have to stop acting like ableist jokes aren’t violent/harmful. We have to stop using black women for publicity punch lines as if we don’t have feelings. We can be fragile, vulnerable, [and] just be trying to make it to tomorrow too.”
George Carlin knew how to offend without making it personal. I really miss George Carlin.
When I say personal, I mean just that. There's a way to do it without making it person-targeted.I love Carlin, but I'm also pretty sure he personally offended a lot of people (or would have, if they knew what he said). He may not have been one for going after specific individuals, but he could be pretty caustic towards certain groups.
When I say personal, I mean just that. There's a way to do it without making it person-targeted.
“You see, children? Sometimes violence IS the answer! Punching or slapping someone on behalf of someone else who’s been verbally insulted IS the right thing to do, especially if you have a vast audience watching! Don’t worry about getting into any trouble, or the moral/ethical dilemmas of eye-for-an-eye if YOU personally interpreted what they said as an invitation to attack them. What matters is that YOU are upset. Punch away.”That is the real issue here. What gets said on television ends up in the playground.
Did you think Zangief Kid (or whatever the meme was back in the day where you were) was in the wrong? Of course, violence is not always the right answer. But to say it's always de facto wrong is equally absolutist. (Although I do respect full pacifists on this, who are consistent).“You see, children? Sometimes violence IS the answer! Punching or slapping someone on behalf of someone else who’s been verbally insulted IS the right thing to do, especially if you have a vast audience watching! Don’t worry about getting into any trouble, or the moral/ethical dilemmas of eye-for-an-eye if YOU personally interpreted what they said as an invitation to attack them. What matters is that YOU are upset. Punch away.”
Also, violence never escalates the situation, amirite? Just like in the movies, you get up, deck the asshole and everyone applauded, right? Credits roll and the sun sets.
Yesterday I was listening to Kevin Hart and his friends on Sirius Radio's "Straight from the Hart". One of them pointed out that to Black people, there are three things that are the absolute worst thing you can do to them:Also, again, a punch and a slap really aren't the same thing. I'd agree the former would have been a step too far.
I can see that. What struck me (and people read it differently) was that when the joke hit, Will sat there gave a polite laugh and a polite clap. Then the media panned to Jada, and he saw on the huge screen how much it affected her. And he snapped. And in that moment, he reacted inappropriately.Another one shared an interesting anecdote: he had read Will Smith's biography and said that in the early chapters Smith explained how he grew up in a home where his father beat his mother. He felt like a coward as he never intervened, even though his siblings did. This person then said that perhaps some of this is what caused Smith to snap.
IIRC that kid was actually being verbally and physically attacked.Did you think Zangief Kid (or whatever the meme was back in the day where you were) was in the wrong?