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Didn't he already do that in Battlefield: Earth?So is John Travolta going to play The Beyonder?
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Didn't he already do that in Battlefield: Earth?So is John Travolta going to play The Beyonder?
Didn't he already do that in Battlefield: Earth?
That’s a loss no matter how fuzzy Hollywood gets with their math.
I want a movie that takes place in a D&D style dungeon. 5 official Dungeons & Dragons films released in my lifetime so far, and NONE of them have done that. I don;t understand either, because seems like it'd be cheap as hell to make.
This thread has convinced me that, probably, the only real mistake that has been made is assuming that there is more money to be made (and then flailing about futilely, trying to work out how to gather it all up).
The rule of thumb is that a movie NOW needs to make 3x the LISTED budget (Remember, they don't couint Marketing, any reshoots, which all movies seem to need of late and other extra fees) in GROSS income to be considered profitable.Oh I’m well aware of that, but that somehow is being left out of the conversation.
Add to this a studio does not get 100% of the cut at the box office, the theater gets a chunk.
Point being Disney took a massive bath in 2023.
Those are not considered in the income, as they're AFTER the screenings. And if the movie doesn't do well in theatres, the odds of it getting additional merch lessens or stretches out the period of time that they get a release on physical media.Box Office figures don’t count dvd and blue ray, streaming and online purchases, tie-in merch, video games and book adaptations.
Those are not considered in the income, as they're AFTER the screenings. And if the movie doesn't do well in theatres, the odds of it getting additional merch lessens or stretches out the period of time that they get a release on physical media.
Actually, the Maus Haus has. They're stock is not doing so hot as of yesterday's investment call. Not to mention that GOTG3, that everyone praises, apparently DIDN'T MAKE MONEY! There's some incredible amount of mismanagement.Yeah, I don't care that much but when we start moving in additional costs, we might as well move in additional revenues. The Mouse doesn't lose out.
In some cases we get merch before the screening. But hey, I'm done talking about MCU specifically. It was an example of a well run franchise and an example of how individuals may fatigued with franchises or don't watch the movies but the mob is plainly not.
Actually, the Maus Haus has. They're stock is not doing so hot as of yesterday's investment call.
Not to mention that GOTG3, that everyone praises, apparently DIDN'T MAKE MONEY! There's some incredible amount of mismanagement.
I think they could give Hasbro lessons on how bad it could get.
The whole point of my post is that I think it's wrong to assume there is any significant amount of additional money to be made. You can claim that this is wrong, and there is more money out there, but I find the people in this thread who have suggested otherwise have much more compelling arguments than you stating it to be otherwise.That there's more money to be made is assumed (and correct).
But the better assumption is that if it was not mismanaged, the product would be better (subjective I know). We only have some measures for that (purchases is one, number of online games is another, percentage of people who identify as a nerd)
I'm with TristramEvans - give us a Dungeons and Dragons movie that has Dungeons in it for once.
I would love well-done dungeoneering movie that embraces OSR aesthetics
but, if it happens, it won't be associated with the D&D brand.
But is that what the public wants? Gamers are a small part of the audience, they want to bring in the Marvel audience not just D&D players and Keep narrows it down to older D&D players. Would a D&D ‘Descent’ style horror movie do well? Actually if they could keep the budget down it could but they would have to keep the budget tiny so they could have room for profit2,000,000%
And that's the tragedy.
Rather than "Honor Among Thieves" we should have got Keep on the Borderlands.
But is that what the public wants? Gamers are a small part of the audience, they want to bring in the Marvel audience not just D&D players and Keep narrows it down to older D&D players.
Would a D&D ‘Descent’ style horror movie do well?
Actually if they could keep the budget down it could but they would have to keep the budget tiny so they could have room for profit
The whole point of my post is that I think it's wrong to assume there is any significant amount of additional money to be made.
I agree with this. I think they could have made SOME extra money, in a variety of ways, had they been smarter about everything, but not to the degree that Hasbro envisions.
"Dungeons and Dragons" as an overall IP has name recognition, but that alone isn't enough to make it a good target for mass expansion into media of all sorts.
Even popular videogames that have built-in characters and stories have had really mixed results when it comes to expanding into other media, particularly if the target audience isn't children.
I keep seeing this line of thinking, and I keep thinking it's fishy. Not you, S sharps54 specifically, but I think you've bought into a line that's simply wrong.But is that what the public wants? Gamers are a small part of the audience, they want to bring in the Marvel audience not just D&D players and Keep narrows it down to older D&D players.
Which was brilliant but maybe under the shadow of the Stallone movie?Also Dredd which also failed to break even at the box office.
I still think if they make an ‘authentic’ D&D movie, whatever that means, they are best served with a fairly low budget so there is room for it to make money and if it does well a lot of money.
The only way these things get financed is if they make money.
I've sometimes been wondering whether we two could make an RPG-inspired movie together...If remotely interested, look at the amount of money the European MEDIA fund pumped into the Human Centipede movies.
I've sometimes been wondering whether we two could make an RPG-inspired movie together...
Yeah, I'd admit that that is part of the things that worry me!Write a movie, pitch a movie, get a movie made, laugh all the way to dying penniless in the gutter.
Point being several hard facts the Mouse can’t ignore:The rule of thumb is that a movie NOW needs to make 3x the LISTED budget (Remember, they don't couint Marketing, any reshoots, which all movies seem to need of late and other extra fees) in GROSS income to be considered profitable.
2.5x is considered the Break Even point.
Net income is what we'd need to see how much they actually make, but they never report that.
I’m in complete agreement. It should be a monster hit.Deadpool and Wolverine will break a billion or I’ll eat my hat. That said I do believe it’s inevitable success has nothing to do with Disney and will not be proof of them turning things around.
I'm convinced that wearing a suit and tie leads to stupid business decisions...I think it must be the tie cuts off oxygen to the brainInternet rumor, and I’m willing to admit to being wrong. However the end result - that the company that produced BG3 to great acclaim and success will not be producing any further D&D-branded games - is still true, regardless of which side made the decision.
True that.I thought that was The Expanse
I'd say this on The Marvels, I saw next to zero pre-release marketing on this versus compared to all the other Phase 5 movies which couldn't avoid. Not alone in this. Didn't even know The Marvels was out until heard how it disappointed at the box office. Would have seen it, and certainly watched it as soon as on-demand and know that is the same for others.Evidence if the MCU franchise is that it's made a bundle and will continue to. Recent falls, like The Marvels, were more likely due to lack of promotion (from the writers/actors industrial action) ...
Point being several hard facts the Mouse can’t ignore:
1. Their budgets are massively bloated.
2. Movies are underperforming relative to the peak of Marvel. Despite the claims in this thread phase 4 & 5 have underperformed relative to previous.
3. The SW fan base has been fractured since the release of TLJ. No matter which side anyone comes down on, there is no stuffing that genie back in the bottle.
Related outside of maybe Andor? The TV stuff has been bad.
Marvel TV stuff? Yeah….
4. Disney has been antagonizing the fans and claiming them for their failures. No Disney, that’s 100% your fault. You work for the customers money, not the other way around.
ETA: as I recall the last time a Marvel movie crossed 1 billion was 2019. Point being that billion dollar movies was a possibility previously. Now? It’s telling nothing has crossed recently.
More to the point? Anyone pointing out how profitable the MCU is? Yes it was. Now? No where near what it was.
Also, this.and then mid-credits we cut to the actors sitting around a table with dice snd minis and a sweet Dwarven Forge type setup of the scene of the final battle and they’re all high-fiving and celebrating their victory, except the guy who died, who’s player is grumpily rolling the dice to generate a new character. And the DM (played by the actor who played tye main villain) is like “same time next week, guys?”
Inside jokes are going out of favour, I see...Every single time people talk about cutting to the table of people playing at the end of a movie I just think "Jesus christ that is hokey."
Idk, I don't know what would make a financially successful D&D movie, but I'm also pretty sure none of you guys do either.
Every single time people talk about cutting to the table of people playing at the end of a movie I just think "Jesus christ that is hokey."
Idk, I don't know what would make a financially successful D&D movie, but I'm also pretty sure none of you guys do either.
Making movies is hard, making a commercially successful film is harder. If anyone knew the secret to making a hit we wouldn't get all these sequels, reboots, etc.
Exactly, look at the Scott brothers, very hit and miss.And even the people who are really good at it don't get it right 100% of the time.
People might think you're being funny, but most of the various social media promotion and 'fans' of Disney (as well as most other major studios) are actually Bots.One can write the online reviews now about how “Disney is back!” Or is that their bot farms pumping up the Acolyte?