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Went ahead and backed this. It's just too interesting to ignore. :ooh:

There's a little time left if anybody wants to get in on this.
 
Also, I'm looking at Alpha Blue and coming to the rather unsettling realization that my players would probably enjoy the hell out of this.
 
noman said:
Also, I'm looking at Alpha Blue and coming to the rather unsettling realization that my players would probably enjoy the hell out of this.
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That's something I can't help you with. I like the system a lot but the r-rated stuff would be pretty hard on my habitual gang. Glad to see I could change your mind though.
 
Venger Satanis said:
Hey, guys!

Prince sent me a link to this thread, and I enjoyed reading it. So, here I am. Just made an account and everything.

If anyone has direct questions about my past work, Cha'alt, or whatever, shoot.

Thanks,

VS
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I'm not familiar with your work so far. Is there anything you'd advise starting with?
 
There's a Kickstarter campaign running for a cyberpunk RPG named Carbon 2185 using the D&D 5E OGL. Anyone know anything about the publisher, Dragon Turtle Games? They have five successful Kickstarter campaigns under their belt, but I never heard of them.

A cyberpunk game using D&D 5E as a template is tempting... However, I thought that game developers that use the D&D 5E OGL specifically couldn't name D&D? "World's Greatest Role-Playing Game" or some such? That the D&D 5E OGL is specifically mentioned on the Kickstarter campaign page makes me wonder how "professional" Carbon 2185 will really be. Not to mention that it also mentions that no other book is needed to play, which I thought was a huge no-no for the D&D 5E OGL.
 
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I think I'd prefer my Cyberpunk a bit more deadly than D&D but that's a cool cover.
 
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Voros said:
I think I'd prefer my Cyberpunk a bit more deadly tham D&D but that's a cool cover.
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My feelings exactly. The art seem to nail the setting look I look for in a cyberpunk game.
 
FWIW guns do more damage than 5e equivalents (I saw a handgun with 4d4 damage) and long term healing is slower by a half. Also, if you fall to 0 HP from a crit or take damage equal to half max HP, you die if you fail only 1 death save (rather than 3) and suffer a permanent injury.

So, it’s still in line with 5e generally but it’s more lethal.
 
Skywalker said:
I don’t know about the legals but the RPG looks great.
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It really does, but naming Dungeons & Dragons and mentioning that you do not need anything beyond the core rulebook to play even though the game uses the D&D 5E OGL has me concerned that WotC may bring the hammer down on it and Dragon Turtle Games at some point. Which is why I started this thread, wondering if anyone knows anything about the publisher.

If it wasn't for that potential issue, I'd drop the $223 on it for two of the limited edition hardcover core rulebooks, the GM screen, and the poster. Instead, I'm looking at $20 for the PDF of the core rulebook.
 
I’m not much of a cyberpunk fan but I’m interested in seeing how they adapt the rules. I’m considering the PDF level.
 
I sent them a message via KS with your questions.

FWIW I think the answers are that they can’t specifically refer to D&D as it’s product identity. However, they can make the RPG a standalone product (much like Esper Genesis does for Space Opera).
 
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Reply from DTG:

Great question! When explaining the rules for our system, we are allowed to say that it's made from the 5e OGL, in fact, but we cannot use this in any advertising, or on the cover, title, or inside the book, which we don't.

For example: If the cover had a logo on it that said "Compatible with the D&D 5e OGL" then that would be an issue.

"Also, can an RPG using D&D 5e OGL contain all the information needed from the PHB to be self contained?"

You can only use what's in the OGL and parts of the SRD, which is over 400 pages of content. We've taken this and built our rule system around it, and to fill in the gaps, which of course is allowed.

We didn't even look at the PHB when developing Carbon 2185, because everything we can use is in the SRD and OGL.

If you look at Pathfinder for example, which is another OGL product, you'll see the same pattern as us. A fully self contained Tabletop RPG that is built around the OGL.
 
That all makes sense. Good for them. I wish there was a 5e Modern game out there. Get on it somebody and I’ll be the first to pledge!
 
I personally prefer genre based 5e games than a generic ruleset. Even D&D5e is a specific type of fantasy genre and is resistant to being modded to other fantasy genres. This is even more true for modern and sci-fi. Carbon 2185 and Esper Genesis are both just right IMO
 
It’s a bit too futuristic for my tastes. I’d love a modern military game based on the OGL.
 
Skywalker said:
Reply from DTG:

Great question! When explaining the rules for our system, we are allowed to say that it's made from the 5e OGL, in fact, but we cannot use this in any advertising, or on the cover, title, or inside the book, which we don't.

For example: If the cover had a logo on it that said "Compatible with the D&D 5e OGL" then that would be an issue.

"Also, can an RPG using D&D 5e OGL contain all the information needed from the PHB to be self contained?"

You can only use what's in the OGL and parts of the SRD, which is over 400 pages of content. We've taken this and built our rule system around it, and to fill in the gaps, which of course is allowed.

We didn't even look at the PHB when developing Carbon 2185, because everything we can use is in the SRD and OGL.

If you look at Pathfinder for example, which is another OGL product, you'll see the same pattern as us. A fully self contained Tabletop RPG that is built around the OGL.
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Thanks a lot for both asking and then pasting the answers here. Cyberpunk is one of my big jams and I was excited, but with all of the cease & desists WotC has been handing out on the Star Frontiers community the past year or so it made me wary as I believed that games based on the 5E OGL couldn't be self-contained.
 
On a side note, it is interesting that three different cyberpunk tabletop RPGs are currently being crowdfunded. When it rains, it pours.
 
There is another 5e one in the pipeline too, though it has a focus on bioware.

There is also two titan hunting RPGs on KS too, which is a super niche genre.
 
I just pledged for two hardcovers and the GM screen. Interface Zero tempted me, but I just can't get into Savage Worlds.
 
The future just keeps getting further and further away.
 
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On a side note, it is interesting that three different cyberpunk tabletop RPGs are currently being crowdfunded. When it rains, it pours.
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Interface Zero and this are two, what's the third?
 
I think tweaking the 5e chassis to do cyberpunk could work - it would require going back to to some fundamentals of the d20 system's wargame roots at its core with modular sub-systems to handle the other conceits like hacking, cyberware, weapon modding etc.

But then I think the amount of work doing that would make it a real fantasy-heartbreaker, because deviating too far from the core tends to put their core fanbase off. Meanwhile sticking too close to 5e may not give it proper genre-fidelity mechanically. I'm not confident it's worthwhile over say making an original system or use another system that already exists that could serve the genre and setting better.

But either way I wish them all the moneys on their efforts.
 
Endless Flight said:
Welcome to the Pub Venger Satanis Venger Satanis.
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Thanks!

Black Leaf said:
I'm not familiar with your work so far. Is there anything you'd advise starting with?
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Hmm, that's a good question...

The right answer probably depends on what you like, what kind of gaming you're into. Since Beneath Kra'adumek is the newest release, free, and less risque than something like Alpha Blue, I'd probably recommend that first: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/265407/Beneath-Kraadumek

VS
 
Edgewise said:
That's actually pretty cool, but I suspect that will be far better received on the OSR side of things. If nothing else, 5e folks are a lot more used to being spoon-fed. I mean, those stat blocks remind me of Maze of the Blue Medusa and even Deep Carbon Observatory, and nobody called those 5e. Again, I think it's good, so maybe my expectations for 5e DMs are too low.
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If we don't have numbers to paint by, we don't know what the fuck we're doing.
 
Voros said:
I've been impressed by the artwork in Venger's previous releases but the editing has been pretty slopy, what's the plan for that with the megadungeon?
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Voros said:
I've been impressed by the artwork in Venger's previous releases but the editing has been pretty sloppy, what's the plan for that with the megadungeon?
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I was going to make fun of the irony but you fixed it. You ruin all my fun. Oh well.
 
I'm tempted to purchase it, but I'd never play it. I'm getting to the point where I buy games just to peruse them more than play them. I'm not sure that's a problem, or maybe it is.
 
Venger Satanis said:
Hey, guys!

Prince sent me a link to this thread, and I enjoyed reading it. So, here I am. Just made an account and everything.

If anyone has direct questions about my past work, Cha'alt, or whatever, shoot.

Thanks,

VS
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I assume Alpha Blue gets its name from Gerard Damiano's The Satisfiers of Alpha Blue? Any other 'Appendix N' picks for that game? eg. Star Crash, Ultra Flesh?
 
Voros said:
I assume Alpha Blue gets its name from Gerard Damiano's The Satisfiers of Alpha Blue? Any other 'Appendix N' picks for that game? eg. Star Crash, Ultra Flesh?
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Barbarella, Galaxina...:hehe:

(Alpha Blue is also a strain of marijuana.)
 
Voros said:
I assume Alpha Blue gets its name from Gerard Damiano's The Satisfiers of Alpha Blue? Any other 'Appendix N' picks for that game? eg. Star Crash, Ultra Flesh?
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Yes, it gets its name from The Satisfiers of Alpha Blue.

"Appendix N" for Alpha Blue? Yes, Star Crash, Barbarella, Galaxina, Flash Gordon, Ice Pirates, Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone, Battle Beyond The Stars, and of course the ultimate... Heavy Metal. Plus, all the ridiculous porn parodies of established scifi franchises.

And then there's the usual scifi / space opera suspects like Star Wars, Dune, Red Dwarf, Dr. Who, Blake's 7, Star Trek, etc.
 
Stevethulhu said:
I've lost count of the amount of to.es an R Talsorian game has been coming soon.
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Well they only have two employees since they "restarted". And they're test-bedding the new Interlock with the Witcher... so I give them a little slack.
 
tenbones said:
Well they only have two employees since they "restarted". And they're test-bedding the new Interlock with the Witcher... so I give them a little slack.
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They made my favourite game of all time, so they get plenty of slack. They also get a hefty dose of I'll believe it when I see it.
 
This may be the other cyberpunk D&D 5e RPG I was talking about. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kellyblack/cyb-r-a-cyberpunk-genre-adaption-of-5e-dnd

Seems like it was rushed out to take advantage of Carbon 2185, but I think it may actually end up hurting itself given the mistakes in the KS page and preview. Overall, this one looks a lot closer to D&D5e than Carbon 2185. That would have been attractive to me, but I am left feeling wary.
 
Skywalker said:
This may be the other cyberpunk D&D 5e RPG I was talking about. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kellyblack/cyb-r-a-cyberpunk-genre-adaption-of-5e-dnd

Seems like it was rushed out to take advantage of Carbon 2185, but I think it may actually end up hurting itself given the mistakes in the KS page and preview. Overall, this one looks a lot closer to D&D5e than Carbon 2185. That would have been attractive to me, but I am left feeling wary.
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Aye, that's the one. It looks like it's well on its way to failing with flying colors. A combination of looking amateurish, and crowdfunding the same time as both Interface Zero and Carbon 2185.
 
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