Satine Phoenix and Jamison Stone

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Voros said:
Oh, worth noting that Satine was WotC's 'Community Manager' (aka. Nerdwrangler) for a few years. I thought it was cool they were willing to hire her despite her sex work past
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Considering how strangely reactionary a lot of the nerd community can be about sex, I was surprised to see WotC associating themselves with anyone remotely connected to sex work. I certainly am not going to judge her for that.
 
Brock Savage said:
Considering how strangely reactionary a lot of the nerd community can be about sex, I was surprised to see WotC associating themselves with anyone remotely connected to sex work.
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I'm strangely reactionary about the idea of most of the nerd community having sex so it evens itself out.
 
Isn't Amazon producing a cartoon series based off of a streamed D&D actual play that got decently popular?
 
Isator Levi said:
Isn't Amazon producing a cartoon series based off of a streamed D&D actual play that got decently popular?
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I think there's one based on Critical Role either out or coming out - there was another one a few years back featuring Dan Harmon
 
finarvyn said:
Clearly, you haven't done your homework. In the hit TV show CASTLE the main character (played by Nathan Fillian) is an author named Rick Castle, and one of his characters (prior to Nikki Heat, I believe) is Jameson Rook. So, I'm citing a fictional character created by a fictional character on a real TV series as proof that Jamison can be a real name. :grin:
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Woah this is going into some dream inside a dream multi level Inception level stuff now.
 
TristramEvans said:
I think there's one based on Critical Role either out or coming out - there was another one a few years back featuring Dan Harmon
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The Critical Role one is on Prime. Doesn't look like my thing. The Dan Harmon one was funny.
 
Ah this is about all the stuff about that ex-porn star who used to be in Zak S's rpg group then she scored some work hosting WotC stuff on Geek n Sundry?

ok got it, I did a monthly check on TBP and its all over there with everyone having an opinion and whatnot.
It reminded me that I'm quite happy outside of the mainstream rpg community, just sitting here like John Lennon watching the wheels go round and round heh heh
Life's much better here :grin:
 
ok this thread just got better and better, heh heh,
ok I'm back to work now, thanks for all of you giving me a good laugh on my break!
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Mankcam said:
oh this thread just got better and better, heh heh
ok I'm back to work now, thanks for giving me a laugh on my break
:grin:
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Yeah that whole "hey just look at them and take a stab at whether this is going to end in a train wreck" is sad but accurate.
 
I only clicked on this thread to figure out what was so HOT about this topic.

I'm very disappointed in the pub. And in OP.
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The only reason I knew of Satine is because of her early-on connection to Zak S. and her illustrations in Machinations Of The Space Princess, which I liked well enough.
After that point... not on my radar at all.
 
Black Leaf said:
My view is that if we have threads on Nu TSR and Faniel Dox, the Rubicon has already been crossed there.
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Yeah, that's the reason I thought it was fair game. And there are differences in the culture of different boards that make me want to hear what people say in those different groups.
 
TristramEvans said:
There was orginally no contract, Stone asked for one after the work was done and then it became clear it was a condition for pay, and the person, not knowing anythig about contracts, recycled one from another situation that didn't apply and simpy switched out the names. After Stone throws a hissy fit about this a calls him "unprofessional", the guy agrees to let Stone rewrite the contract and then says he did something shady, but doesn't admt to what, before going into how he was treated after this.
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Well the thing about asking for a contract after the work was done is shady as hell, and I've never heard of doing a contract for tattoo work before, unless it was in a professional capacity, which it didn't seem like it was.
 
Isator Levi said:
Isn't Amazon producing a cartoon series based off of a streamed D&D actual play that got decently popular?
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I know there is Vox Machina which I tried, but decided it wasn't for me.
 
Brock Savage said:
I thought paying writers by the word ended during the age of landlines and personal checks!
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Nope. And the best rate per word I received from one of the smallest publishers I worked for. I couldn't believe they were paying that well per word.
 
chuckdee said:
Well the thing about asking for a contract after the work was done is shady as hell, and I've never heard of doing a contract for tattoo work before, unless it was in a professional capacity, which it didn't seem like it was.
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I've never heard of a contract for tattoo work, even a multi session large back tattoo.

But then the kind of tattooists I'm used to would likely deal with not being paid by turning up at the offender's house with a bunch of large bikers, so I suspect I move in different circles than the Californian art-RPG scene.
 

JAMUMU said:
It is what it is, but unfortunately what it is is a deep dive into the weirdness that our hobby has become since the 5e explosion and the nu-internet happened. It's worthy of discussion, even if that discussion is a) Don't join D&D cults and b) Don't pay $200 for a one-shot when I can offer the same service for $199.99.
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I don't think there's anything about 5e that encourages this sort of thing, it just so happened to be released around the time we got a new medium ("Let's play" type social streaming), along with all the chancers and grifters that always accompany a new medium.
TristramEvans said:
There's probably value in some sort of website that catalogues bad actors in the community and the (actual/verifable) evidence. I know, for myself, I'll hear something and two years later will have mostly forgotten all about it, or vaguelly recollect hearing something connected to a name but not recall any specifics. Whisper Networks really don't serve the function they should in this day and age, and "Broken Stairs" tend to rely on ignorance and the internet's 15-minute attention span.

Case in part, Mark Mackinnon seems to have gotten a pass mainly because his shitty stuff happened before Twitter was a thing.

But I don't think the Pub should serve that fuction. Should be it's own thing, like "Garth's Stair Repair & Maintenence Blog" or something
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I think the problem is that it would be easily co-opted by bad actors; make it too easy to submit things and it'll eventually get used as a weapon against minority creators, make it too difficult and you're introducing points of failure and corruption (eg. the people who administrate it). It's a lovely idea, but people just can't be trusted.
 
chuckdee said:
Well the thing about asking for a contract after the work was done is shady as hell, and I've never heard of doing a contract for tattoo work before, unless it was in a professional capacity, which it didn't seem like it was.
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It's all very *yawn* though.
 
Ladybird said:
I think the problem is that it would be easily co-opted by bad actors
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It's already in the hands of bad actors when I have to get my info from RPGnet, theRPGsite, or Twitter. It literally could not be worse than the situation that exists now - you ether don't get the info, or you get it from incredibly biased sources prone to dishonesty.

I wasn't suggesting a situation where people could publicly submit whomever they want as a target and say whatever they want without evidence, I mean a person, or small group of people gathering and neutrally reporting facts

Like Tenkar's Tavern without the Tenkar.
 
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Voros said:
Almost all the early stuff I heard about was typical coked-up rockstar behaviour I encountered on a regular basis when I was a music writer and later when I was involved in live music production.

Completely, absurdly out of place in ttrpgs but hardly something to get an internet mob stirred up about. Just tell others that they're assholes and move on.

So I muted the whole thing after that.

Some of the later stuff sounds more serious but I don't understand the tendency to bring everything to social media these days. Just tell others they are shitty to do business with and let their work dry up. Why do randos need to hear about industry drama?
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Eh, that assumes everyone knows everyone in the freelancing field, which just isn't true.

A lot of people got away with a lot of shit for a long time because the information about their ripping off freelancers was kept to people "in the know" and they could just move on to ripping off people who weren't "in the know".

Better for everyone to hear about it and end it as soon as possible.
 
TristramEvans said:
I think there's one based on Critical Role either out or coming out
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That was a rhetorical question to make a point about how streamed actual plays may have more significance to the hobby than they were being given credit for.
 
Ladybird said:


I don't think there's anything about 5e that encourages this sort of thing, it just so happened to be released around the time we got a new medium ("Let's play" type social streaming), along with all the chancers and grifters that always accompany a new medium.

I think the problem is that it would be easily co-opted by bad actors; make it too easy to submit things and it'll eventually get used as a weapon against minority creators, make it too difficult and you're introducing points of failure and corruption (eg. the people who administrate it). It's a lovely idea, but people just can't be trusted.
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No it's not really anything particular to the game - in fact in many ways it's all happening despite the actual game. In the past I've been annoyed by what seems a growing amount of players who don't want to play or have anything to do with anything other than 5e, but I'm starting to think this is a good thing as it at least keeps all of this stuff out of the rest of the hobby which can just continue on as usual.
 
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TristramEvans said:
I dunno, how much influence does the WWE have on college wrestling?
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That's a good analogy. I do occasionally enjoy watching streams of just people's random groups playing games, especially less common ones, because they said hey, let's record ourselves.

But the high production value shows with professional actors are just too far out of my experience to be relevant to me.
 
Ladybird said:
I don't think there's anything about 5e that encourages this sort of thing, it just so happened to be released around the time we got a new medium ("Let's play" type social streaming), along with all the chancers and grifters that always accompany a new medium.
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I think it's more that it's the new d20 hotness that you can throw a half-baked Kickstarter at and make a lot of money.
 
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I think in future if we are going to have any thread with alert labels such as "Hot Topic!" or "Radiactive Zone!", it is only fair for the first post to always be this Rolling Stones song, requesting us to play it in the background while we read the thread.

Just to ensure we are all on the same page taking things seriously, heh heh :shade: :grin:

 
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