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TJS said:
That's kind of the point though isn't it? I seriously doubt that it's learnt from internet data to respond in that specific way. It's been programmed to.

And if someone's programming it with if/then procdures as well as underlying structures for interactions then it's not really AI learning.
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So why are you assuming it hasn't learned it? Possibly from experience running a game that it's been allowed to "remember":thumbsup:?
Or, you know from reading a forum like this one, where such advice isn't exactly unknown:shade:?

opaopajr said:
Even the Japanese have an issue learning to read Japanese. :shade::coffee::star: The more you know!
(No, seriously though, the Japanese writing system is pretty challenging for everyone involved. But there's a beauty to its complexity.)
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They don't tell you it's gonna be easy before you start, do they:grin:?
 
AsenRG said:
They don't tell you it's gonna be easy before you start, do they:grin:?
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:shade: :coffee: Funny story: my first class started with the teacher saying you need to get *this* book at a specific bookstore in Japantown. She shows us the book and have us memorize as best we can the cover. "Don't worry, the staff are instructed to expect you if you mention this class and that I am the instructor." Then she warns "Don't get that other one with English in it," fans open the book to some students in the first row, "See? You can't read anything inside. Right? Good. That's where we'll start." :hehe: Much hilarity ensued.
 
AsenRG said:
So why are you assuming it hasn't learned it? Possibly from experience running a game that it's been allowed to "remember":thumbsup:?
Or, you know from reading a forum like this one, where such advice isn't exactly unknown:shade:?
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Because it's an LLM and can't do either of those things.
 
TJS said:
Because it's an LLM and can't do either of those things.
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...actually, it can. Not the same way as a human, but if it works, it works:thumbsup:!


opaopajr said:
:shade: :coffee: Funny story: my first class started with the teacher saying you need to get *this* book at a specific bookstore in Japantown. She shows us the book and have us memorize as best we can the cover. "Don't worry, the staff are instructed to expect you if you mention this class and that I am the instructor." Then she warns "Don't get that other one with English in it," fans open the book to some students in the first row, "See? You can't read anything inside. Right? Good. That's where we'll start." :hehe: Much hilarity ensued.
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That's the sign of a good teacher:grin:!
 
Patchwork Dragon said:
For simpler games, such as D&D 1e, I would think: my barbarian is going to walk up to that monster next to the elf. Then she is going to hit the monster with her battle ax. With more complex editions, I am thinking more about the mechanics of how all my different feats act together and whether this would be a good time for an action I can only do once a day.
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I think this is an awesome quote, and spot on. I may copy-paste it into my family chat because my family can't understand why I like old school games over newer ones.
 
Voros said:
I'd have to dig around, not sure if there is quantifiable data. Mainly I remember an essay from the head of Evil Hat where he notes that their sales are much better when D&D is doing well and I don't see any reason for him to claim otherwise. Other than to drive Zak nuts of course.
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I think it's over-simplistic analysis. D&D can bring people into the hobby, which helps everyone, but 5E already did that job for a generation. If 5.5E does poorly, some of those players move to other games and some leave the hobby. The ones that leave the hobby were purely D&D fans anyway, so there were never going to help the rest of the industry.

And keep in mind, when 3E enjoyed its success, it was ruinous to most games that weren't D20. In 2000, I was playing Unknown Armies, Fading Suns, Deadlands and Feng Shui, all of which were solid sellers for me. Then 3E came out, and all those game were dead within a couple of years. Nothing ever made me more pessimistic for the industry than the state of gaming at that time.

Evil Hat put out its first product in 2006, which was in the waning days of 3E. There is only one D&D bust and one D&D boom since then, so I don't know that they have enough data to establish a real correlation. If Evil Hats sales dropped during the 4E era, it could also have been that it was the time when OSR games became the new hot thing in the indie scene.
 
AsenRG said:
...the longest I've spent customizing appearance is under 10 minutes.
I suspect one of us is an outlier, and I have a sad feeling it's me. Again:shade:.
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I did my typical thing last night of starting over with a new character after having gotten the hang of the game. This time, having already explored all the options, it did take me about ten minutes.
 
EmperorNorton said:
Every time I decide at the start of the weekend "I'm going to play a new run of Skyrim" it is 1 and a half days getting my mods all set up, then half a day getting my character appearance customized, then my weekend is over and I've forgotten to ever play skyrim.
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I hate it when I mod the heck out of game, take a six-month break from it, and then have to figure out what mods still work with the games latest update. I've just retired games entirely rather than deal with it.
 
EmperorNorton said:
Every time I decide at the start of the weekend "I'm going to play a new run of Skyrim" it is 1 and a half days getting my mods all set up, then half a day getting my character appearance customized, then my weekend is over and I've forgotten to ever play skyrim.
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EmperorNorton said:
Every time I decide at the start of the weekend "I'm going to play a new run of Skyrim" it is 1 and a half days getting my mods all set up, then half a day getting my character appearance customized, then my weekend is over and I've forgotten to ever play skyrim.
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At least you didn't get so deep into Skyrim modding, that you download the Creation Kit to make imcompatible mods compatible.
When setting up your mods can take a week or more.
 
Baulderstone said:
I hate it when I mod the heck out of game, take a six-month break from it, and then have to figure out what mods still work with the games latest update. I've just retired games entirely rather than deal with it.
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Steam once had an option to turn off automatic updates for games. That is sadly now gone. There's workarounds, like playing in offline mode, but most games will eventually demand to be updated.
 
Baulderstone said:
In 2000, I was playing Unknown Armies, Fading Suns, Deadlands and Feng Shui, all of which were solid sellers for me. Then 3E came out, and all those game were dead within a couple of years. Nothing ever made me more pessimistic for the industry than the state of gaming at that time.
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Reminds me of the impact of Magic the Gathering on the tabletop rpg industry when it came out. Within a couple years of MtG's release I struggled to keep my campaign going and finding new tables and players became really hard. It was actually around that time that I truly thought the ttrpg hobby was dying. Wotc bought TSR, GDW was struggling, ICE was struggling etc etc.

I really thought that card games and board game would be what most folks did who did any sort of gaming in person and that the future of rpg gaming was online with mmorpgs which were really starting to pick up steam at the same time. Feels like the industry goes through cycles of boom or bust after being a part of this hobby for forty five plus years.
 
opaopajr said:
Even the Japanese have an issue learning to read Japanese. :shade::coffee::star: The more you know!
(No, seriously though, the Japanese writing system is pretty challenging for everyone involved. But there's a beauty to its complexity.)
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Huh, ever heard of that. I found during the two years of Japanese I took in high school that reading and writing Japanese came pretty easily to me, it was speaking it that was more of a challenge, for the usual reasons (the speed at which native speakers spoke, having learned to speak mostly with non-native speakers so being unfamiliar with unaccented Japanese, etc.).
 
EmperorNorton said:
Every time I decide at the start of the weekend "I'm going to play a new run of Skyrim" it is 1 and a half days getting my mods all set up, then half a day getting my character appearance customized, then my weekend is over and I've forgotten to ever play skyrim.
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… I don’t understand? Isn’t that how you play Skyrim?
 
EmperorNorton said:
I find it is easier to find and resolve conflicts with TES5Edit than Creation Kit.
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TES5Edit can handle the majority of conflicting stuff from mods. But in my case, it was some mod added stuff in the worldspace of Skyrim. I had to go in the Creation Kit and move things around, to make them compatible.

But I'm a weirdo, who also downloaded the XCOM 2 modding tools, just to combine several mods into one. Simply because I was annoyed by having a super-long modlist.
 
The Mad Hatter said:
TES5Edit can handle the majority of conflicting stuff from mods. But in my case, it was some mod added stuff in the worldspace of Skyrim. I had to go in the Creation Kit and move things around, to make them compatible.

But I'm a weirdo, who also downloaded the XCOM 2 modding tools, just to combine several mods into one. Simply because I was annoyed by having a super-long modlist.
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Ah yeah, if you had to edit cells then you would need to load up CK.
 
Baulderstone said:
I did my typical thing last night of starting over with a new character after having gotten the hang of the game. This time, having already explored all the options, it did take me about ten minutes.
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...so your very fast is my "absolute max, happened once in Baldur's Gate":thumbsup:!

EmperorNorton said:
Every time I decide at the start of the weekend "I'm going to play a new run of Skyrim" it is 1 and a half days getting my mods all set up, then half a day getting my character appearance customized, then my weekend is over and I've forgotten to ever play skyrim.
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Yeah, man, I knew I'm the outlier already...:grin:

Damn it, I came to a nerd forum and even there I'm the outlier:shade:!
 
TristramEvans said:
the art all looks like Magic cards
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Like the "New and Improved!" Poochie MtG card art, too. :worried: Nothing quirky, divergent, artist stylistic, or atmospheric like the old stuff. Just endless over-rendered, portrait-focused, similar compositions with dynamic lighting! color scheme and London fog atmospheric perspective. :crygoose: I have a big sad now.
 
TristramEvans said:
the art all looks like Magic cards
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Well hey, at least 6e appears to be including this proper old-school-looking orc:

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Whatever else may be going on in the lore and fiddly character-build nonsense, you can be sure this guy was born to lift and has a controversial foreign policy!

That said, sorry, I'm still boycotting you this year WotC (and I don't use orcs anyway).
 
Shipyard Locked said:
Well hey, at least 6e appears to be including this proper old-school-looking orc:

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Whatever else may be going on in the lore and fiddly character-build nonsense, you can be sure this guy was born to lift and has a controversial foreign policy!

That said, sorry, I'm still boycotting you this year WotC (and I don't use orcs anyway).
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Is that AI art?
 
TristramEvans said:
the art all looks like Magic cards
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I liked some of 5e's art, the best of it was painterly, atmospheric and childlike but the new art I've seen online reminds me of modern superhero comics, very slick and often a slightly unnatural sense of texture and colour, which I suspect comes from unsophisticated use of computer tools.

One of the preview art pieces caused a bit of controversy online (controversy? D&D?) because some took it for AI art but WotC came out and stated that the artist confirmed it wasn't AI. This is because WotC had issued a statement saying they and their contractors would not be using AI going forward.

If your artwork can be mistaken for AI, that doesn't bode well.
 
Baulderstone said:
The weird shape of this room feels very AI to me. Like my suspicions on the Deck of Many Things art, I'm guessing someone used AI, then digitally painted over it to make it a little less obvious.

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Hmm, I see what you mean. My AI art radar isn't pinging over this pic like yours is though. It's possible that the artist simply didn't get the left wall quite right, especially the part directly behind the figure. That is a very AI type of mistake though, I give you that.
 
I have to add, anyone else get the sense this three images are from the same rendering batch as the one I posted above?
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And why does this article have four pictures of people reading books in a row? What kind of marketing is this? You'd think WotC would be pushing back against the image that D&D is mostly about reading large, ponderous rulebooks rather than using illustrations to hammer that home.
 
It's that darned left wall again! Perhaps the artists is using AI to mock up just the backgrounds. The main figs don't have even a whiff of AI about them but they do look a little bit pasted onto the backgrounds IMO.
 
Baulderstone said:
The weird shape of this room feels very AI to me. Like my suspicions on the Deck of Many Things art, I'm guessing someone used AI, then digitally painted over it to make it a little less obvious.

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Most suspicious sign for me is the double arch with fucked up weird perspective. Looks like one of those AI artifacts where it doubles up some element in +/- the same way regardless of perspective
 
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