It'd probably play better replacing the Borg rules with a PtbA hackPirate Borg is decent but it is the only one that appeals to me, even than I would change the tone from playing evil, selfish characters to a more heroic one.
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It'd probably play better replacing the Borg rules with a PtbA hackPirate Borg is decent but it is the only one that appeals to me, even than I would change the tone from playing evil, selfish characters to a more heroic one.
Your Trollkin Skirmisher style is nearly at the professional level, I see!It'd probably play better replacing the Borg rules with a PtbA hack
No doubt for some geoups, heck isn’t the new Ironsworn thing a pirate adventure and that’s basically PbtAIt'd probably play better replacing the Borg rules with a PtbA hack
You're on to the standard here for Gone and Almost Forgotten: acronyms that #% of the pub doesn't recognize immediately.[...]EZD6. I feel like we get these popcorn RPG even more quickly now. Something shows up in the zeitgeist and is going to be the next D&D killer then 5 years later people are like "wait, there was a MCDM [...]
It's the one of the entire line that I both enjoy and really the only one (so far) I accept as a complete game in one book. It is very much Pirates of the Carribean RPG with the serial numbers (barely) filed off, and I would definitely play it as such.Pirate Borg is decent but it is the only one that appeals to me, even than I would change the tone from playing evil, selfish characters to a more heroic one.
Joking aside, -Borg may be a fine game design.No doubt for some geoups, heck isn’t the new Ironsworn thing a pirate adventure and that’s basically PbtA
I hope I properly implied that the acronym was not worth knowing, and I'm somewhat ashamed that I know it.You're on to the standard here for Gone and Almost Forgotten: acronyms that #% of the pub doesn't recognize immediately.
I have little to no interest in PBtA but I don’t care if others like it...
Do they proselytize any more than the “Mythras can do that” folks here? I guess maybe other forums are worse. That’s one reason I like it here. I know we have PBtA fans but they don’t drown out other conversation, nor do the Mythras fans.My issue with PbtA gamers isn't that they like it. I actually couldn't care less if they do. It's more like D DeadBob said regarding -borg games in that the issue is their incessant need to tell you about it, even when you preemptively go out of your way to ask them not to. That's what makes them so damned intolerable. This gets amplified a million fold online. They're like the Jehovah's Witnesses of the gaming community, driven by deeply ingrained brainwashing to proselytize the glorious gospel of the Apocalypse.
The only two people I have consistently seen on other forums with the, "Mythras can do that," message (unless the thread happens to be about Mythras) is Raleel and Bilharzia. And both of them are very tame / understated about that by comparison. Even on this forum, as you noted, it's not as prevalent as we like to joke about. So, if Mythras fans have gotten louder somewhere else, all I can say is they manage to leave a much smaller footprint than their PbtA brethren.Do they proselytize any more than the “Mythras can do that” folks here? I guess maybe other forums are worse. That’s one reason I like it here. I know we have PBtA fans but they don’t drown out other conversation, nor do the Mythras fans.
Still a great game, but it really needed a second edition to clean up the jank and that doesn't seem likely now.
Do they proselytize any more than the “Mythras can do that” folks here? I guess maybe other forums are worse. That’s one reason I like it here. I know we have PBtA fans but they don’t drown out other conversation, nor do the Mythras fans.
I forgot that people are going around forcing people at gunpoint into PbtA and FitD games. Motherfuckers.
Reddit and FB mainly in my experience. Here tends to be better in general about actually reading recommendations requests first.So what forums is the dominating PBtA conversation occurring on? I don’t read TBP much anymore but I don’t even see it there.
Nice try. But outside this thread (where I've explicitly tried to articulate what makes PbtA and its fans so damned intolerable), I'd challenge you to find even one thread where, "anyone who pushes back on said shitting is seen as some kind of proselytizing obsessive." Most of the time we voice our distaste and move on, letting those who "push back" be.At the risk of being positive about PbtA games (the horror), I would recommend Stonetop as a cleaned up and improved version of Dungeon World.
I’m a fan of both PbtA and FitD. I tend to speak positively about them, though neither is by any means without flaw.
In my experience here on the Pub, these games tend to get shit on pretty often (as seen here) and anyone who pushes back on said shitting is seen as some kind of proselytizing obsessive. Then it’ll be pointed out how the PbtA/FitD fans are more vocal than the detractors around here.
It’s kind of a no win situation. Except in this case, in the context of this thread, all I can say is that I’m glad neither system seems to be slowing down, and instead seem to be becoming more and more mainstream (such as it is within this hobby). I hope that continues, and that those bothered by it just continue to seethe in their negativity.
Nice try. But outside this thread (where I've explicitly tried to articulate what makes PbtA and its fans so damned intolerable), I'd challenge you to find even one thread where, "anyone who pushes back on said shitting is seen as some kind of proselytizing obsessive." Most of the time we voice our distaste and move on, letting those who "push back" be.
As I have tried to state above, the issue isn't people who happen to like the game. I'd expand on that and say it's not even someone who speaks positively about it (though when they do I do personally start becoming suspicious) and then goes their own merry. To me the prime example I can think of is when someone (usually the OP of a thread) says, "I want to talk about X, but please let's not bring any PbtA games into this conversation." Then, sure as shit you'll find not one but dozens of responses that say, "I know you said you don't want to talk about PbtA games, but I want to bring up these PbtA games..." Given Reddits sheer posting volume, you can find thousands of such threads with little ease. I'm tempted to say I've literally never seen that not happen on that particular forum specifically, but even I admit that might be overstating it at least a little (though not by much). If I weren't literally about to get on a plane and disappear for a couple of weeks (I know, you guys will miss my shining personality - but it's okay, I'll be back, I hope) I'd happily trudge through all the various forums and provide examples just to prove the point.
Yes! Beyond the Wall is the kind of thing I am talking about, except it's actually more than 10 years old - can you believe how time flies?Similarly, I don't hear much about either Crypts & Things nor Beyond the Wall much anymore.
I've always thought that Mythras gets a free pass because it's the Pub's baby?Do they proselytize any more than the “Mythras can do that” folks here?
Nah man. I have to be polite and professional in my day job, so I choose to be petty and bigoted in my hobby time.I try not to use my dislike of a game system to inform my opinion on people that like that system. I hope others show me the same courtesy.
On discords I am a member of Beyond the Wall is frequently brought up, I do think it has dropped in visibility but it isn’t forgotten.Yes! Beyond the Wall is the kind of thing I am talking about, except it's actually more than 10 years old - can you believe how time flies?
You couldn't ask about starting a new fantasy campaign back then without someone bringing up Beyond the Wall. I did eventually get the pdf cheap (was it a Humble Bundle?) but it isn't my cup of tea and I am a little disappointed by the interior art and layout.
Yep, this is a game that fits the criteria for the thread.
"Here's the quick start rules! I hope you accept Powered by the Apocalypse in your life!"They're like the Jehovah's Witnesses of the gaming community, driven by deeply ingrained brainwashing to proselytize the glorious gospel of the Apocalypse.
Do they proselytize any more than the “Mythras can do that” folks here? I guess maybe other forums are worse. That’s one reason I like it here. I know we have PBtA fans but they don’t drown out other conversation, nor do the Mythras fans.
At least they put out a new book every now and then.On discords I am a member of Beyond the Wall is frequently brought up, I do think it has dropped in visibility but it isn’t forgotten.
Stars Without Number was hot a couple years ago and doesn't seem to come up now.
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His stuff tends to always be in the Drivethrurpg top 100... If that's an indicator of gamer interest. I don't know. He did run another crowd-funding campaign for more offset copies of WWN, I think. So, somebody's still buying his stuff.I think there is a level of appreciation for Sine Nomine / Kevin Crawford here but very little active discussion.
It's really sad how under the radar his stuff goes. Cities Without Number relatively recently came out and is basically a more freeform system to make characters for SWN attached to a cyberpunk setting, meaning one book could be a supplement for the other.I think there is a level of appreciation for Sine Nomine / Kevin Crawford here but very little active discussion.
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Old school D&D mechanics are great if you want that exploration/combat and are pretty bad when you try a playstyle the game doesn't support. *Cough* Gangbusters B/X *Cough*. Much as I love Ghastly Affair I recognise that really the only things it actually takes from old D&D are class/level and procedural generation and one of the main reason it works is because it's dropped pretty much everything else.PbtA fans are no worse than people who insist old school D&D mechanics can do literally anything and are suitable for any game you want to run.
And I don't even LIKE PbtA (there are a few games that are exceptions, because they do something else really good, but overall I'm not a fan of the system).
(I do like FitD though).
I was personally more interested in Kevin's material before everything he did started turning into a hybrid of Traveller and B/X. I can't help but fall into a, "hwy wouldn't I just use [Traveller or B/X] for this instead," sort of mentality when I read his books. I've also always thought the best value for his work was in the sandbox creation toolkit, moreso than his game systems. That said, Stars Without Number in particular seems to still get a lot of love anytime someone posts a thread asking for sci-fi recommendations.I think there is a level of appreciation for Sine Nomine / Kevin Crawford here but very little active discussion.
I was personally more interested in Kevin's material before everything he did started turning into a hybrid of Traveller and B/X. I can't help but fall into a, "hwy wouldn't I just use [Traveller or B/X] for this instead," sort of mentality when I read his books. I've also always thought the best value for his work was in the sandbox creation toolkit, moreso than his game systems. That said, Stars Without Number in particular seems to still get a lot of love anytime someone posts a thread asking for sci-fi recommendations.
When it comes to WWN or CWN, it's not really a comparison anymore. WWN has a "build your own class" system that brings it well past the scope of B/X, plus nuances in the rules and a kick-ass setting that the rules are specifically geared toward. It's not just fantasy-flavored SWN or a restatement of Scarlet Heroes (though some of the tools make an appearance)I was personally more interested in Kevin's material before everything he did started turning into a hybrid of Traveller and B/X. I can't help but fall into a, "hwy wouldn't I just use [Traveller or B/X] for this instead," sort of mentality when I read his books. I've also always thought the best value for his work was in the sandbox creation toolkit, moreso than his game systems. That said, Stars Without Number in particular seems to still get a lot of love anytime someone posts a thread asking for sci-fi recommendations.